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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening fade to black

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i'm your host jimmy church

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bespoke radio for the

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uh yeah man

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how you doing how you doing

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today is wednesday march 30th

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89 days into the new year only

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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undisclosed location but it is beautiful

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states hither and

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tether to and fro back and forth up and

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changer and an x networks racehops i am

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what is cracking everybody

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i had to do a quick text

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see how see how i do that live on the

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man this thing is just moving

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oh bad what am i gonna do what am i

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tonight we have very special guests on

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this program don schmidt

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favorite people on this planet uh he is

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do what i do and the fact that we have

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become so close over the years

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is just an honor and a privilege and uh

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uh he just makes me laugh man he is he

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but that being said it is the 75th

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anniversary of roswell this year

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roswell going back i mean for me now you

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know if you think about it it's 25 30

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tonight we are going to do roswell

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revisited and i mentioned this last week

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uh that uh don and i were talking on the

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phone and we knew you know it's the 75th

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and the book is an amazing book

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i have it but putting that aside

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and and and certain things about but we

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what happened the sequence of events and

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and he said jimmy we haven't done that

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let's do that let's just

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go at roswell from the beginning to the

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that may be new or newer to the subject

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of ufos ufo research and et and contact

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everything because it's such a huge case

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there's so much involved with it that

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you probably haven't done that but you

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know roswell happened well tonight we're

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gonna walk you through it all right now

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this is the thing and i told don earlier

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no notes tonight i'm going to test

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he is the best with this he knows so

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do i remember it and i've done i've read

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who wrote the books on roswell

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um the facts are the facts of the case

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and so you see those presented in in

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book after book that's how many i read

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where i had to go back and wait a minute

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exposing myself right now i literally

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would go back and check no i i don't own

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this book okay i'll continue reading but

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uh that's it tonight don schmidt is here

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roswell revisited tomorrow night is

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another fader night with open lines all

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night long now

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uh breaking news i just got word right

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before show time tonight

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that john lear

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last night at his home

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in las vegas i don't have any other

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john lear

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incredible incredible rest in peace john

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you earned it

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you certainly earned it

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and uh everybody wants their own crystal

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skull you know what to do go to einstein

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the crystal skull dot com carolyn ford's

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website use the promo code jimmy for 10

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off of your crystal skull order today

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and coming up a june 18th uh which is a

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saturday one day event the biggest on

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the calendar all year long

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it is disclosurefest the mass meditation

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initiative going on at the downtown

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historic park in los angeles

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right next to chinatown i'm hosting the

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event with musical performances by

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i think he just sold out red rocks like

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five nights in a row trevor hall's going

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to be there the dwezar the desert

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dwellers are going to be there poron gee

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is going to be there and many many more

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musical guests on four stages there's 16

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workshops with billy carson and adam

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apollo and

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laurie spania is going to be there laura

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eisenhower brad olsen david palmer and

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many others i want you to go to

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disclosurefest.org

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for tickets and information that is

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follow me on twitter at j church radio

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jay it's the letter j church church

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radio at jturg radio right there on

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twitter come and follow me and

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enjoy my internet presence uh that is

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right there on twitter posted that crazy

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photograph today from uh hubble the

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to my breaking news we'll get to that in

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let's get to the breaking news

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freibav the ukrainian soldier who told a

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as he helped try and defend snake island

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was awarded a government medal in a

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rybov received the award the award is

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called for marriage to the cherished

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during the early hours of russia's

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initially declared dead until it became

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clear that they had been captured by

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soldiers were freed last week

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in a prisoner swap

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now i just talked about hubble

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that's because the most distant

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single star ever seen

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dates back to less than one billion

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years after the universe's birth and the

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big bang and it may shed light on the

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earliest stars in the cosmos all of this

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the scientists nicknamed the star eren

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from an old english word meaning morning

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star or rising light

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aaron dell whose technical designation

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is at least 50 times the mass of our sun

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and millions of times as bright

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this newfound star detected by nasa's

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hubble space telescope is so far away

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that its light has taken

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12.9 billion years

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to reach earth appearing to us as it was

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when the universe was about 900 million

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years old that's at just seven percent

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of its current age

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until now the most distant single star

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detected discovered by hubble in 2018

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existed when the universe was about 4

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billion years old or 30 percent

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of its current age it's an amazing image

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go to my twitter feed and you can see it

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this morning

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nasa astronaut mark vanderhey

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ended his record-breaking time on the

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international space station with a

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parachute assisted landing on the steppe

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of kazakhstan at 7 28 a.m eastern time

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vanda hay is wrapping up a

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355-day mission on the space station the

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longest single stretch any american has

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ever spent in the final frontier the

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previous record was held by nasa's scott

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kelly who spent 340 days aboard the

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orbiting lab from march 2015

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to march 2016.

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well tonight

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as i speak to you

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the dazzling northern lights could light

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up the skies as far south as the

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northern united states after the

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detection of

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17 solar eruptions blasting from a

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single sunspot two of which

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are headed straight for earth

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the two earth-directed eruptions have

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merged into and i quote here

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a cannibal coronal mass ejection and

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they are barreling towards earth at 1.9

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million miles per hour when it crashes

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into the earth's magnetic field tonight

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the result will be a powerful g3

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geomagnetic storm

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g3 storms can cause an intermittent

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satellite navigation performance and

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low frequency radio navigation problems

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a recent storm in february sent 40

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starlink satellites tumbling back to

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earth and scientists have warned that an

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even larger one could have the potential

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to [\h__\h] the entire internet

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across the globe

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not the flat earth

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the globe

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let's get the show cracking happy

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birthday to today

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m.c hammer

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mc hammer is 59 i was going to wear my

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mc hammer pants tonight forgot to put

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those on eric clapton

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today slow hand

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is 76.

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jazz singer nor jones today is 42

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and the one the only

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jim dandy mangram

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today

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randy van warmer

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1955 to 2004 died so young at the age of

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48. randy was a singer-songwriter and

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guitarist

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with the huge international hit song

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just when i needed you most yeah you

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remember that tune

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it reached number eight on the uk

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singles chart in september 1979 after

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peaking at number four on the billboard

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hot 100 and number one on the billboard

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hot adult contemporary tracks he wrote

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several songs for the group the oak

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ridge boys including the number one us

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country hit i guess it never hurts

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to hurt sometimes

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and you remember that song too don't you

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randy died of cancer on january 2 12

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2004 in seattle washington he was just

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48 years old here's the deal

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in line with one of his greatest loves

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space

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some of his cremated remains were sent

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into space in 2007 and then again in

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2012 aboard the first successful private

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space flight to the international space

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wow happy birthday randy on this day in

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history 1981 god i remember this like it

361
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was yesterday

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1981

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president ronald reagan is shot outside

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of a washington dc hotel

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by john hinckley jr now on march 30th

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1981 i know exactly where i was i was on

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spring break

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in fort lauderdale florida

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right my senior year in high school

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flew down there with uh a friend of mine

371
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walt he had a house down there

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so we flew down uh for spring break and

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i was walking from the pool through the

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living room

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uh at his house and there it was on the

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tv live ronald reagan and him being shot

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and i stopped

378
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and i just watched it uh right there

379
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during spring break

380
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and so i know exactly where i was march

381
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30th 1981 i was in fort lauderdale

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florida fader fact

383
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in 2009

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christopher

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schilt

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a 52 year old man

387
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used forged papers to enroll as a high

388
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school student at waterford high school

389
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in waterford connecticut

390
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by the end of the first day

391
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he got caught

392
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and he was charged with three counts of

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first-degree forgery second-degree

394
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criminal trespass and breach of peace he

395
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was convicted

396
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and then sent to a state mental hospital

397
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for a very extended

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stay that's your fader fact tonight

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very special guest don schmidt returns

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it is the 75th anniversary of roswell

401
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absolutely incredible his new book is

402
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out the 75th anniversary edition of

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witness to roswell

404
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and the links for the book we have right

405
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up uh in social media and over on our

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website you can head over to amazon get

407
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yourself your own copy

408
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and uh tomorrow night

409
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another fader night with open lines all

410
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night

411
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dirt stone studio mc hammer and those mc

412
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hammer pants i had

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i had i had like

414
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a lot of those

415
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i did we all warm too

416
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we all

417
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did with my long hair

418
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and i was wearing i think i had red ones

419
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river moon coffee rivermoonwellness.com

420
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fade to black blend

421
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promo code f2b blend

422
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that's right man

423
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i love my new burr grinder i'm gonna

424
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post a picture of it

425
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when i get a new guitar i don't post

426
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pictures

427
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new harley haven't posted a picture no

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no i haven't done any of that

429
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right new couch no

430
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huh

431
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no

432
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kinds of things right

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new bur grinder

434
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that deserves a picture

435
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all right

436
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:51,590
can't we talk

437
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i need everybody to focus

438
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follow

439
00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:05,909
do it now

440
00:22:10,830 --> 00:22:09,029
the definition of bliss

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perfect

442
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:14,240
happiness great joy

443
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:18,480
to reach a state of perfect happiness

444
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:19,600
typically

445
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:22,559
so as to believe and

446
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,760
be

447
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:25,280
everything

448
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:26,960
oblivious

449
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:32,390
all right

450
00:22:37,029 --> 00:22:34,880
you know i often think about those who

451
00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:37,039
get up every morning and go to a job

452
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:40,880
that makes them absolutely miserable

453
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:43,120
just heading to an atmosphere that

454
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:45,760
brings them down

455
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:48,080
and anyone in this situation which is

456
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:51,520
most of the world by the way

457
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:53,200
it

458
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:56,559
day long

459
00:23:02,149 --> 00:22:58,799
being miserable

460
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:02,159
now for anybody doing a job or in a

461
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:05,280
career that makes them sad

462
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:07,600
there's somebody else out there who

463
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:09,200
wants

464
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:10,559
your job

465
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:13,440
and your career

466
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:16,240
your job in your career may be

467
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:18,240
their bliss

468
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:23,510
i have a friend

469
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:27,679
that i worked with uh for many years

470
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:31,039
and his job was technical

471
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:32,320
okay

472
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:34,400
and he was great at it

473
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,200
and i really loved working with him but

474
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:39,840
but he kept telling me things you know

475
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:42,799
like throwing me hints like you know i

476
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:44,480
don't know i kind of

477
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:46,640
i kind of fell into this position i

478
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:48,480
don't really dig it

479
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,480
but now i own a house and i'm married

480
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and i'm stuck you know he would say

481
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:54,320
these things and just like scratch my

482
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head

483
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:57,600
now this was a

484
00:24:02,710 --> 00:23:59,919
this was a professional guy

485
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:02,720
right and really really good at his job

486
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:04,400
seriously good

487
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:05,919
and he had it all

488
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:08,320
health insurance 401k

489
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vacation time new car

490
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home kids

491
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and a career path that was just laid out

492
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,520
in front of him

493
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:19,440
and then one day

494
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he says to me

495
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today is my last day

496
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and he says and i'm not making this up

497
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he

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says i just got a job

499
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:38,950
and again i was like

500
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:40,320
what

501
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:45,360
and he says i've been going to school on

502
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the side

503
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:48,480
for training horses

504
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:50,000
and tomorrow

505
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:51,520
i start

506
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shooing horses

507
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he was happy

508
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:58,880
seriously

509
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,320
you have to understand what i'm saying

510
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:02,880
to you right now my friend

511
00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:04,720
was walking away

512
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from a professional technical job at a

513
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major corporation

514
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,480
he was leaving to shoe

515
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horses

516
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then he goes on to explain to me that

517
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:18,720
his whole life

518
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:20,080
he wanted to

519
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:21,840
work with horses

520
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:24,320
he wanted to be a cowboy

521
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:26,559
that that was his dream

522
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,640
but somehow after college he got stuck

523
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:30,480
in the rat race and he couldn't find a

524
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:31,760
way out

525
00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:33,760
and that he was miserable

526
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:35,679
and then he went on to tell me that over

527
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:38,559
the last couple of years he's been going

528
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:40,000
to school

529
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:42,559
learning the trade

530
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:44,000
that's right and now that he was

531
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:45,440
certified

532
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:48,960
and he had gotten an entry-level job

533
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:51,840
shoeing horses

534
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:53,279
and yes

535
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:54,320
today

536
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:57,760
was his last day

537
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,919
now yeah i was i was more than bummed he

538
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:01,440
was a friend

539
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:03,440
and i was going to miss him being around

540
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:04,799
the office but

541
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:06,880
but i could see his happiness

542
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:10,640
he had changed from the person

543
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:18,630
then i i take off my watch

544
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:20,320
take off my watch

545
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:21,679
off my wrist

546
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:23,520
and i handed it to him

547
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:26,240
and i said this is for you and and when

548
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:29,679
you check the time man just think of me

549
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:32,080
and he puts the watch on

550
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:33,679
you know looks at it

551
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:35,360
shook my hand

552
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:38,320
that was it i never saw him again we've

553
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:40,320
stayed in touch though you know in our

554
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:42,240
electric universe

555
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:44,080
and i spoke to him last summer on the

556
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:46,480
phone and the subject came up i said

557
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:47,760
dude

558
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:49,840
i still can't believe you walked away

559
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:51,679
and he said something like i'm so happy

560
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:54,880
man life makes so much sense now

561
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,559
i get up every day smiling by the way

562
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:00,720
i went from shoeing

563
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:03,360
to training show horses

564
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:05,360
every day i get to shoe a horse and then

565
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:07,440
i just ride

566
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:09,520
he was so happy

567
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:12,080
now there are many morals to this story

568
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:15,760
but but my main takeaway is this

569
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:17,600
only you know

570
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:20,480
what your bliss is

571
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:23,120
you have that one thing that only you

572
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:25,360
knows about

573
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:27,120
maybe you've kept it inside maybe you've

574
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:29,919
told a few friends or family members

575
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:32,159
but you know

576
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:34,399
that you haven't found it yet

577
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:35,919
you know what it is

578
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:38,159
and you haven't gotten it

579
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,399
it's still out there

580
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:42,720
and it's the only thing that will make

581
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you happy

582
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,679
and show you

583
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:48,000
what life is all about

584
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:50,000
go and find your bliss

585
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:51,760
do it now

586
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:53,919
no matter what it is it doesn't matter

587
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,559
it doesn't matter

588
00:28:01,750 --> 00:27:58,720
but the point is

589
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,760
is that so very few

590
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:03,600
actually follow through with their

591
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:06,720
dreams most are scared and i understand

592
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:08,159
that

593
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:10,240
but you just don't want to be the person

594
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:12,720
at the end of life's journey saying i

595
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:14,880
coulda i shoulda you don't want to be

596
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:17,679
that person when you hear me say to

597
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:20,240
someone in the future go and find your

598
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:22,720
bliss i don't care if it's shoeing

599
00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:25,760
horses go and chase your dreams

600
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:27,679
find that happiness that'll make

601
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:31,120
everything else in life oblivious

602
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:32,640
when you hear me say that you'll know

603
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:34,000
exactly

604
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:36,000
what i'm talking about you'll know that

605
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:38,240
i'm not just blowing smoke and you'll

606
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:42,080
know that i really mean what i say

607
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,000
today i was speaking with another friend

608
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:46,240
big changes going down in his or hers

609
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:48,559
life right now

610
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:50,320
and i heard those words

611
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:52,720
you know i don't know man i i just need

612
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:55,360
to walk away from this corporate life

613
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:59,520
i think i want to do stand-up comedy

614
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:01,039
and i laughed

615
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:02,960
it was like

616
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:05,200
but i could tell that my friend was 100

617
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:06,159
serious

618
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,320
so i replied with

619
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:10,320
now that was actually funny write it

620
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:11,200
down

621
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:14,640
you've just written me your first joke

622
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:18,399
now go and find your bliss

623
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:20,080
and my friend said you know what i'm

624
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:23,840
gonna do it i want to make people laugh

625
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,799
yes the phone conversation was real but

626
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,320
for some reason

627
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:30,720
i thought my friend was going to say

628
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:37,350
now go and find your bliss

629
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:38,720
do it

630
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:40,240
this is fade to black i'm your host

631
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:43,279
jimmy church tonight on this program i'm

632
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:45,120
finding my bliss

633
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:48,159
because don schmidt returns for the 75th

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00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:50,159
anniversary of roswell

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00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:53,440
with roswell revisited tomorrow night is

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your father's radio show

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on the game changer radio network

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00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:31,440
hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

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what's up i'm chris what up this is kyle

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matson you're listening to jimmy church

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[Music]

728
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:58,470
welcome back fate to black i'm the host

729
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:00,880
jimmy church find

730
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:02,880
your bliss

731
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:08,400
tonight don schmidt is with us we are

732
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:10,800
doing roswell revisited tonight he's the

733
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:12,640
former director of the j allen heineck

734
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:15,280
center for ufo studies in chicago

735
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:17,200
where he served as director of special

736
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:19,520
investigation for 10 years prior to that

737
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:21,280
time he was a special investigator for

738
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:22,320
the late

739
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:25,680
uh uh uh wait wait a minute i've got two

740
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,200
bios here

741
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:29,040
i've got two bios

742
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,760
wait a minute or

743
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:33,839
don lived in a parallel universe i'm

744
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:36,560
just saying in both of those he was the

745
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:38,560
director for j allen heineck he's the

746
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:39,920
author of hundreds of articles about

747
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:42,720
ufos as well as the co-author of six

748
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:45,440
best-selling books i have them all

749
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:47,440
about the ufo crash at roswell the truth

750
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:49,359
about the ufo crasher roswell witnessed

751
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:51,520
roswell witnessed roswell revisited

752
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:54,160
edition inside area 51 the secret

753
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:56,160
history of wright patterson

754
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:59,200
and cover-up of roswell the links for

755
00:36:03,150 --> 00:36:01,680
all of don's books are up in social

756
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:03,160
media and of course over at

757
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:04,720
jimmychurchradio.com i would like to

758
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:06,079
welcome back to fade to black the one

759
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:07,040
and only

760
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:09,280
don schmidt don

761
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:12,000
jimmy come back one correction one

762
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:15,280
correction i i was a co-director at the

763
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:17,359
jail and heineken center for ufo studies

764
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:19,680
you were the co-director

765
00:36:24,829 --> 00:36:21,920
so who is the director

766
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:24,839
well presently that would be dr mark

767
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:26,720
rodinger i would be the scientific

768
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:30,240
director as well as the director

769
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:32,160
of the center for ufo study actually and

770
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:34,320
then when after after dr heineck passed

771
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:37,520
away we renamed it the jay allen heineck

772
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:40,400
center for ufo studies correct correct

773
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,280
oh oh maybe that is

774
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:45,599
see i can't even i can't even read my

775
00:36:48,110 --> 00:36:47,119
own words

776
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:48,120
that's what i wrote

777
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:51,359
[Laughter]

778
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:53,200
man i'm telling you

779
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:55,040
what do they say what do they say don i

780
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:57,440
know you're experiencing this

781
00:37:01,589 --> 00:36:59,920
first the mind then the body yeah i was

782
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:01,599
gonna say when you reach a certain age

783
00:37:06,829 --> 00:37:04,560
it's all looking back but uh no no you

784
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:06,839
and i are both still looking very much

785
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:10,240
forward let's hope so best is still yet

786
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:12,000
to come yeah and uh we're going to be

787
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:14,240
hanging out in roswell again this year

788
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:16,160
and and i look forward to that this is a

789
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:17,280
big deal

790
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:19,440
um now i wanted to ask you this you know

791
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:22,160
finding your bliss and and i like to

792
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:23,920
talk about this a lot

793
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:26,880
um and you've had such an interesting

794
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:27,760
life

795
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:34,790
my bliss and i don't even use that word

796
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:36,720
as much as

797
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:39,599
my position is that the the schooling

798
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:41,359
never ends

799
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:44,079
that every day i try to experience

800
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:46,640
try to learn something new

801
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:48,400
and then at the end of the day i look

802
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:51,280
back and i go through you know the the

803
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:52,880
16 hours

804
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:54,160
that uh

805
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:56,880
i i tried to give it my best

806
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:57,920
and

807
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:01,040
where i succeeded where i failed

808
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:04,320
and then learned by what i failed by and

809
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:07,680
so uh no bliss is a state of mind it's

810
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:10,079
just just like happiness in that people

811
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:12,960
so often look from uh you know outside

812
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:14,320
sources

813
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:16,720
and i'm i'm fortunate that

814
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:20,800
i i look to myself if i can't produce

815
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:24,160
the end result that i expect

816
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:26,960
or i would like to see i don't rely on

817
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:29,760
anybody else to do it for me sure sure

818
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:31,200
but i see

819
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,520
you are um you are a happy

820
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:37,440
you know what i could be way wrong maybe

821
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:39,440
i should talk to your wife but you

822
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:41,040
appear

823
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,960
exactly what you want to do and that's i

824
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:48,640
guess that's my question

825
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:51,200
uh and very serendipitously

826
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:53,599
because for having come into this is is

827
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:55,440
quite the skeptic

828
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,000
and especially with the you know the

829
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:00,400
entire roswell affair

830
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:02,160
that when

831
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,119
we first decided and when i say we

832
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:07,680
it was then my chosen partner kevin d

833
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:09,040
randle

834
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:10,480
when we

835
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:12,560
strategized and it was before the board

836
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:15,839
of directors at qfos we sat in chicago

837
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:18,320
and we we plotted out you know our game

838
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:21,680
plan and it was fully expecting that we

839
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:23,839
would make you know a single weekend

840
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:24,880
jaunt

841
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:26,960
down to the land of enchantment new

842
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:29,760
mexico and wrap this up

843
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:31,680
that we'd come away

844
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:33,359
convinced that this was nothing more

845
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:35,599
than a weather balloon device as the

846
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:37,760
government still maintains after 75

847
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:38,800
years

848
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:41,200
or or something just as conventional and

849
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:42,800
and i guess

850
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:44,720
to use your word

851
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:47,200
part of that bliss is the fact that we

852
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:53,670
that we came away after that first

853
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:55,359
weekend and i was like we can't get back

854
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:57,760
down here fast enough

855
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:00,960
i have to i have to laugh at that yes i

856
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:03,760
totally get that that's one of the best

857
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:06,880
things uh i've had any guests say

858
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:09,040
you know

859
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:12,480
uh for you to just state so emphatically

860
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:14,319
that the best part of the trip was that

861
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:17,280
we were wrong right i mean

862
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:18,960
that that's extraordinary can i ask you

863
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:21,440
a question before we move on because you

864
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:23,119
want tonight jimmy okay i want you to

865
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:24,560
turn around

866
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:31,200
in that picture next to the door

867
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:34,160
next to the door look up don the door

868
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:36,560
oh oh oh

869
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:37,359
uh

870
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:38,960
right up the door that's actor roy

871
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:41,359
thinnes that's roy dennis isn't it from

872
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:43,599
the invaders tv that's from the invaders

873
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:44,880
tv series

874
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:47,440
and roy and i we've known each other now

875
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:48,640
personally

876
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:51,440
for oh my god approaching 40 years yeah

877
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:52,800
yeah you and i have talked about him

878
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:54,640
many times and

879
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:56,640
i mean to this day

880
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:59,359
i've watched the complete series every

881
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:00,800
season

882
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:04,720
uh probably a dozen times which is uh

883
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:06,560
that says a lot because there's a lot of

884
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:07,920
episodes there

885
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:12,560
um probably the best tv ufo tv series

886
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:13,760
ever made

887
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:16,400
um and we we did the book touched by

888
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:19,520
roswell and roy graced as he wrote you

889
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:21,440
know the forward

890
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:24,400
and he got very personal and it was like

891
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:26,720
oh my god i had no idea

892
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:30,480
that you know i had impacted his life

893
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:34,720
as much as you know he he he wrote and i

894
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:37,040
assured him rory it's the exact opposite

895
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:38,960
that you have influence you have you

896
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:41,440
know as far as steered more people

897
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:43,599
into this subject

898
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,000
by that tv series and the fact that you

899
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:48,480
stood behind it that you

900
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:51,760
came across as a believer

901
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:53,920
as someone who was championing the cause

902
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:56,800
as trying to prove that we were being

903
00:42:02,069 --> 00:41:59,119
invaded that we were being infiltrated

904
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:02,079
that they took on our you know our human

905
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:04,160
characteristics and that's how they were

906
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:05,839
able to get away

907
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:09,520
with this very uh soft kill invasion so

908
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:10,720
to speak

909
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:11,920
and

910
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:14,720
unfortunately unlike the fugitive which

911
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:17,119
preceded the invaders by quinn martin

912
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:19,200
the same production company they never

913
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:22,079
had an ending there was never a finale

914
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:24,880
no there wasn't and he kept waiting for

915
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:27,440
too because he was on he was on this

916
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:29,760
trail you know season after season after

917
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:31,520
season i'll tell you i'm going to tell

918
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:32,560
you something

919
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:35,280
i was a roy stalker

920
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:38,079
okay now i'm coming clean can i come

921
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:40,400
clean it's we're live on the air i'll be

922
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:43,119
happy to pass it on to him next time

923
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:45,359
there was a rumor

924
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:46,160
uh

925
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:48,319
when i lived in pasadena that he lived

926
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:49,920
in pasadena

927
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:53,200
and i was like really yeah yeah and and

928
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:56,400
i always kept my eye out i never ran

929
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:59,760
into him but i knew i mean i was told

930
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:01,599
that he lived in pasadena does he still

931
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:02,640
live there

932
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:04,240
no um

933
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:06,640
he uh he actually

934
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,000
he is from chicago right originally yes

935
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,480
then when he did the invaders he was the

936
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:14,400
highest paid actor

937
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:16,560
at abc at that time

938
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:19,280
and he lived in bel air

939
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:21,680
and then he lived in l.a after that and

940
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:23,680
then he had moved to new york he was

941
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:25,760
commuting back and forth and he was even

942
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:28,240
on the soap one life to live

943
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:30,000
for a number of years and that's when we

944
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:32,720
first met when i met him at his uh

945
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:33,839
apartment

946
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,000
on the west side of central park so i

947
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:38,319
was looking i was looking for a ghost

948
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:40,319
see this

949
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:41,839
you got to love

950
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:47,040
myth of of things you know and

951
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:49,680
and i just it was something that i i i

952
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:52,079
never forgot you know that he lives

953
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:54,000
somebody had pointed like he lives on

954
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:55,359
that hill

955
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,280
and i was like really

956
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,680
and uh so anyway great story though

957
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,440
quick story this is a real food now do

958
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:03,280
you remember in the tv series the

959
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:05,920
invaders one of the the uh

960
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:08,400
the signs what gave them away

961
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:11,359
was the mutated pinky yes the mutated

962
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,359
pinky that was the thing that he was

963
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:15,760
always on the lookout for in his

964
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:18,400
character of david vincent and

965
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,480
they had picked me up from the airport

966
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:22,560
lax on one occasion

967
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:24,640
and i was riding in the back seat of his

968
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:26,079
jaguar

969
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:28,720
and we are driving through beverly hills

970
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:31,359
and a car full of people

971
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:33,280
all at once approach us

972
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:36,079
and they drive by us and the driver

973
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:38,800
reaches out the window and extends the

974
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:40,079
pinky

975
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:42,240
shut up

976
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:44,319
so in other words they recognized roy so

977
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:46,480
they recognized his car and i asked him

978
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:47,599
does that

979
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:51,040
happen often and he goes all the time

980
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:54,720
people come up and show a half a finger

981
00:45:01,990 --> 00:44:55,839
wow

982
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:02,000
and and and watch the complete series

983
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,800
again

984
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:04,800
so incredible we need to get them on

985
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:06,319
your show i would love to have them on

986
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:09,280
the show are you kidding that there's a

987
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,760
the intro to the show and and for those

988
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:13,280
of you out there in the audience we're

989
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:15,920
talking about the invaders and

990
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:19,599
and uh i think i'm gonna guess and say

991
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:26,640
65 66 67 68 right in there 67 68 67 68.

992
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:29,440
and in the intro to the show

993
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:32,319
was this little nod i'm going to say

994
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:34,000
adamski

995
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:35,119
yes

996
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:37,520
the ship the ship the ship so they show

997
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:40,400
the ship taking off yeah outside

998
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:42,880
actually what's happening it was landing

999
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:45,760
landing and uh but you see the three

1000
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:48,640
domes underneath the ship right it is

1001
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:51,839
and it's the classic uh it's the classic

1002
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:55,200
yeah the the the adamski flying saucer

1003
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:58,160
and uh and i it's just it's like in the

1004
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:01,359
front of my head so man i just love that

1005
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:04,720
show man i love that show every episode

1006
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:06,319
especially when i was a kid i was like

1007
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:08,160
come on man

1008
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:09,440
hey we've been

1009
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:12,319
and the who gave me the idea was don

1010
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:15,200
most from happy days and don's also a

1011
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:18,560
good friend and a couple years ago they

1012
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:21,280
did a script reading

1013
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:25,680
of one of the unaired happy days

1014
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,960
episodes

1015
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:28,960
and they had i mean was ron howard and

1016
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:31,040
it was henry winkler and it was don most

1017
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:33,599
and it was anson williams uh marion ross

1018
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:35,599
they were all part of that

1019
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:38,400
and i thought well my god for all the

1020
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:40,880
failed efforts in bringing the invaders

1021
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:43,040
back and we were close

1022
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:45,760
on two occasions with abc with a new

1023
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:48,079
pilot as far as to pick up where we left

1024
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:50,319
off that type of thing and i finally

1025
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:52,640
thought as roy's got older now what if

1026
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:55,040
we were to do a finale

1027
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,920
as just a script reading

1028
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:59,760
roy you know reprising you know that

1029
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:01,040
wrong

1030
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:03,680
uh you know and and

1031
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:05,839
it with his voice still sounding very

1032
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:09,760
much like it did back at that time so

1033
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:11,520
it's just a matter of us sitting down

1034
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:13,040
and writing it

1035
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:14,480
but uh

1036
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:16,000
let's just say we've been talking about

1037
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:18,319
it now for a couple of years it must

1038
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:21,280
have been a such as a script writer a

1039
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:23,040
fun show to do

1040
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:25,599
because every episode you know there was

1041
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:27,920
this challenge and

1042
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:29,839
and he finds himself

1043
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:31,920
there was uh man we could just talk

1044
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:33,200
about the invaders all night let's

1045
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:34,880
forget about roswell

1046
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:38,079
um i it just it like he pulls into a

1047
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:40,319
desert town or he's you know he's in

1048
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:42,640
some town he goes in he's at the local

1049
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:45,440
uh company office he goes in

1050
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:48,079
he gets into the boardroom and the

1051
00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:49,920
president of the company is missing a

1052
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:52,079
finger right now

1053
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:55,440
and he he goes uh outside of town he

1054
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:58,240
finds a secret ufo base in the side of a

1055
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:00,880
mountain and then he goes into i mean

1056
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:04,000
it's just like it was so much fun

1057
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:06,880
and uh that man i just missed the

1058
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:10,000
invaders and obviously roy told me many

1059
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,640
you know anecdotes many uh like uh

1060
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:14,400
andrew mcintyre

1061
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:17,440
was the cinematographer

1062
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:21,040
on on on the series and mcintyre had

1063
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:24,800
served during world war ii so he knew of

1064
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:26,480
a lot of pilots

1065
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:29,280
he knew of a lot of officers who had

1066
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:30,880
confided to him

1067
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:34,079
about ufo experiences

1068
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:35,680
and he took

1069
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:37,760
roy aside

1070
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:41,839
in the very early episodes of the series

1071
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:44,000
and told him that we're going to take

1072
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:45,599
this serious we're going to take this

1073
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:47,440
series seriously

1074
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:49,280
we're going to treat it seriously we're

1075
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:50,720
going to treat it as though we're going

1076
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:52,880
to have the audience actually guessing

1077
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:55,760
is this based on reality or not is this

1078
00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:59,040
something that they're subtly trying to

1079
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:01,599
you're sublimely trying to tell us

1080
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:04,240
without creating panic without you know

1081
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:06,720
presenting it as you know reality that

1082
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:09,200
type of thing

1083
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:11,280
that you bring up a really great point

1084
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:12,880
in that the

1085
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:13,760
the

1086
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:21,280
underlying tone of it is that you just

1087
00:49:27,390 --> 00:49:23,520
don't know who

1088
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:27,400
you don't and it's everybody

1089
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:31,119
everybody everybody you can get on a bus

1090
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:33,760
you can bowl you could get you go sit

1091
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:35,520
down at a restaurant

1092
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:37,680
just get into the back of a cab and all

1093
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:39,520
of a sudden you notice the driver with

1094
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:43,280
the mutated pinky and i mean it was just

1095
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:46,079
but it was a classic case of paranoia

1096
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:49,760
yes man idea that you didn't know who

1097
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:52,640
you could trust who you could believe in

1098
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:56,559
and then for those that uh you did

1099
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:58,640
and then at the end of the episode they

1100
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:01,040
turned out to be one of them that type

1101
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:03,359
of thing it was awesome and i don't know

1102
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:06,079
who uh who did the intro to the show

1103
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:09,680
but the invaders right

1104
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,079
right alien beings from a dying planet

1105
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:14,400
their destination

1106
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:16,720
wonderful wonderful loved it all right

1107
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:18,319
all right we'll do it no i'll i'll i'll

1108
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:19,760
talk to right

1109
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:21,839
we'll set it up a man uh that would mean

1110
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:24,480
so much to me life will come full circle

1111
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:27,040
if that happens and and i can complete

1112
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:30,160
my bliss and my journey as a star

1113
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:33,040
yeah as a stalker yeah yeah absolutely

1114
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:34,720
i'll let you tell them that story though

1115
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:36,720
that's yours that's yours what if he

1116
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:38,480
what if he says i did live in a house in

1117
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:39,760
pasadena

1118
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:41,599
what if he says that

1119
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:42,880
wow well

1120
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:46,160
and i don't claim to know every

1121
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:49,280
you know day of uh roy finishes life but

1122
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:52,240
uh it's it's very possible very possible

1123
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:56,400
now um uh as as i have discussed on the

1124
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:58,240
show all week going back to our

1125
00:51:02,309 --> 00:50:59,920
conversation

1126
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:02,319
last week which is we we talk about so

1127
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:03,599
many things in the show and we talk

1128
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:05,440
about roswell every time you're on of

1129
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:06,319
course

1130
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,359
but we never tell the story of roswell

1131
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:11,040
and we haven't done that

1132
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,599
maybe never and if if we did anything

1133
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,440
close to that it would have been many

1134
00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:17,520
many many years ago

1135
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:20,079
and that the audience today

1136
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:23,680
hears about roswell and but they may not

1137
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:26,000
know they know it's significant but we

1138
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:28,559
have so many new people

1139
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:30,880
uh that are new to the subject because

1140
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,559
of what's happening today

1141
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:34,559
and so they've heard about roswell but

1142
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:37,200
they don't know about roswell

1143
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:41,200
and um and i will say this in kindness

1144
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:43,280
oh by the way john lear passed away last

1145
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:45,680
night and oh did not know that yeah i

1146
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:48,240
just got word right before the show and

1147
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:51,839
okay yeah yeah and uh limited contact

1148
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:53,760
with with john through the years i

1149
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:54,720
actually

1150
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:58,319
was more fascinated with his father

1151
00:52:02,309 --> 00:51:59,839
uh billier

1152
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:02,319
the actual creator the lear jet

1153
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:04,640
and then uh because i had worked with

1154
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:06,640
the late chester lytle

1155
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:10,319
who had actually worked with bill lear

1156
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:12,079
uh with the cia

1157
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:14,640
and to listen to them talk about and i

1158
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:16,319
would talk to

1159
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:19,200
john's mother um

1160
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:20,400
dorothy

1161
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:22,720
uh it became again with a

1162
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:25,359
uh maya male male or something like that

1163
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:27,920
all right all right and um

1164
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:30,800
and and she would confirm that that that

1165
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:33,200
her husband her late husband bill and

1166
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:35,680
that chet lido they used to fly spy

1167
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:37,200
missions

1168
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:39,680
with the new jet where they would skirt

1169
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:41,839
you know the russian border that type of

1170
00:52:47,109 --> 00:52:44,800
thing and just see how close how far

1171
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:47,119
they could infiltrate and then be able

1172
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:49,440
to just scoot away with this new jet

1173
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:51,119
that uh

1174
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:52,640
you know they were having the time of

1175
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:54,960
their life with yeah

1176
00:52:58,829 --> 00:52:57,520
what what a family history there what a

1177
00:53:01,990 --> 00:52:58,839
family history

1178
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:02,000
um again another

1179
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:04,160
yeah i'm just saddened by it i mean

1180
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:05,839
another legend within the field yeah

1181
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:08,240
yeah absolutely totally saddened by it

1182
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:09,119
um

1183
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:11,119
is uh

1184
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:13,520
in our conversation last week talking

1185
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:16,400
about this what i wanted to mention was

1186
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:21,040
there was a period if you go back uh to

1187
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:24,480
the very first broadcast of coast to

1188
00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:28,079
coast with art bell yes that art didn't

1189
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:31,200
know anything about roswell

1190
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,920
and uh it was you know roswell's

1191
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:36,000
starting to really swell and the books

1192
00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:39,520
are coming out and and the community

1193
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:41,119
was also

1194
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:42,720
learning on the fly because the

1195
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:45,040
information was coming in it was you and

1196
00:53:48,069 --> 00:53:46,400
and everybody else and that stan

1197
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:48,079
friedman and these books are coming out

1198
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:51,520
and and the right but even art back then

1199
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:53,280
he was asking questions for the first

1200
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:54,160
time

1201
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:57,359
and he's trying to learn and it was a

1202
00:54:02,309 --> 00:53:59,520
very fascinating time

1203
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:02,319
not only for the ufo community but for

1204
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:05,440
coast to coast where this was all just

1205
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:07,599
you know starting to catch fire

1206
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:10,480
and uh the audience out there

1207
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:13,200
that doesn't know much about roswell is

1208
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:15,920
going to experience some of that tonight

1209
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:17,920
where they don't know and they're going

1210
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:19,839
to get to hear this for the first time

1211
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:23,040
so let's let's back up um

1212
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:25,280
and and start directly because we have a

1213
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:28,640
lot to go through tonight again uh uh

1214
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:30,640
don doesn't have notes i don't have

1215
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:33,920
notes i get to test don's memory and and

1216
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:35,040
my own

1217
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:38,160
but let's go back uh of course we have

1218
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:40,480
kenneth arnold we can start there

1219
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:42,720
kenneth arnold

1220
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:44,000
that's right

1221
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:45,839
he has his siding

1222
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:47,920
and then uh

1223
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:49,520
two weeks later

1224
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:52,720
everything goes down in roswell

1225
00:54:58,710 --> 00:54:56,559
um there are some confusion of the dates

1226
00:55:01,589 --> 00:54:58,720
and there was a storm that was in you

1227
00:55:05,589 --> 00:55:01,599
know and things that uh happened right

1228
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:05,599
so the actual date of the crash

1229
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:07,520
right that date

1230
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:10,160
because uh well let's go let's go to

1231
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:13,359
that do you have a date of the actual

1232
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:16,000
crash yes yes um

1233
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:16,799
and

1234
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:19,440
i often start out by you know even just

1235
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:21,839
doing a little historic background

1236
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:24,400
of new mexico of that region

1237
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:27,839
that uh less people think that uh this

1238
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:29,119
just happened out in the middle of the

1239
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:30,559
desert

1240
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:33,200
by happenstance and that there was no

1241
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:36,079
attraction no beacon and i i always

1242
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:37,920
point out especially when i'm lecturing

1243
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:40,000
on college campuses with the learned

1244
00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:42,480
faculty present i'll often ask the

1245
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:45,040
question now where was the first atomic

1246
00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:47,440
bomb detonated right and you'd be

1247
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:49,119
surprised how many of the professors

1248
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:51,440
were of course of course japan

1249
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:54,640
i don't know all right right right right

1250
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:57,599
west of roswell right

1251
00:56:01,829 --> 00:55:59,599
and then you have

1252
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:01,839
all the ongoing atomic research at los

1253
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:03,040
alamos

1254
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:04,480
and you had all the testing of the

1255
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:06,640
captured german v2 rockets at the white

1256
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:08,400
sands proving grounds

1257
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:11,920
and then south of roswell you had the

1258
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:14,079
roswell army airfield

1259
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:17,119
headquarters of the 509 bomb wing

1260
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:20,160
first atomic bomb squadron in the world

1261
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:22,319
the elite within the military at that

1262
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:24,319
time where they selected it was a

1263
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:26,799
composite unit where they selected the

1264
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:30,400
best officers the best pilots crew

1265
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:33,520
doctors nurses if you swept a broom on

1266
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:36,640
that base back in 1947 it was because

1267
00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:39,040
you were the best sweeper in the entire

1268
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:41,680
u.s military because you all had a top

1269
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:44,559
security clearance for the bomb for the

1270
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:46,559
atomic bomb gotcha

1271
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:47,520
so

1272
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:48,880
project blue book

1273
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:50,799
had determined you know the most famous

1274
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:52,880
of the three official investigations of

1275
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:54,640
the ufo phenomenon

1276
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:55,680
that

1277
00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:58,000
there were more ufo sightings in new

1278
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:01,440
mexico at that time than anywhere else

1279
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:02,880
probably in the world

1280
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:05,040
it was as though someone else was very

1281
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:08,480
interested in our military potential

1282
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:10,799
and what better place

1283
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:13,599
and we've long speculated we've even

1284
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:15,359
talked about this ourselves jimmy that

1285
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:17,680
even that first death nation at trinity

1286
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:20,400
in new mexico is still traversing out to

1287
00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:22,799
the galaxy it's like a beacon that is

1288
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:25,599
still an intelligent signal that look at

1289
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:27,440
you know these guys down in the third

1290
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:29,440
rock from this this sun you know that

1291
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:32,240
have been now experimenting with atomic

1292
00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:35,040
you know energy that type of thing

1293
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:37,839
and so was that the very

1294
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:38,960
signal

1295
00:57:43,829 --> 00:57:42,160
that then attracted someone to come and

1296
00:57:48,069 --> 00:57:43,839
check us out

1297
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:48,079
so late evening of july 2nd based on the

1298
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:49,440
stallion

1299
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,960
network radar as far as weather records

1300
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:54,559
and from everything we've been able to

1301
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:56,640
put together from eyewitnesses their

1302
00:58:01,030 --> 00:57:58,960
work schedules leading up to the fourth

1303
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:01,040
of july weekend there have been a

1304
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:04,319
sighting by mr mrs daniel willmont

1305
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:06,960
down on the west side of roswell that

1306
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:09,839
they saw they witnessed in broad

1307
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:12,240
daylight a dome disc

1308
00:58:18,309 --> 00:58:15,359
that was moving to the north northwest

1309
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:18,319
of town moving up to that general area

1310
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:20,640
late that afternoon

1311
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:24,960
so we have pretty much surmised based on

1312
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:26,960
all that information

1313
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:30,799
that it was late evening july 2nd

1314
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:32,720
that ranchers heard

1315
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:35,200
what sounded like an explosion between

1316
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:37,200
the thunderclaps

1317
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:39,520
and it's the next morning early morning

1318
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:42,960
of july third that the ranch foreman by

1319
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:45,680
the name of wwe he went by the name mack

1320
00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:48,000
mack brazil in the company of a

1321
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:51,200
seven-year-old neighbor boy timothy d

1322
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:52,960
proctor

1323
00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:56,000
that they came upon an area of the

1324
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:59,280
strangest wreckage of this material that

1325
00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:01,040
they had never seen before especially

1326
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:03,920
brazil he had never seen anything like

1327
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:05,040
this

1328
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:07,119
and neither had his neighbors neither

1329
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:09,200
had the hired hands do you had even a

1330
00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:11,520
state police officer by the name of

1331
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:14,480
robert scroggins from lincoln county

1332
00:59:17,349 --> 00:59:16,480
where this happened you know to take

1333
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:17,359
place

1334
00:59:19,829 --> 00:59:18,960
no one ever seen anything like this

1335
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:19,839
before

1336
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:23,040
and it covered an area of almost a mile

1337
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:24,400
long

1338
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:26,960
now mack at the time

1339
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:28,960
uh i've got 30 seconds before the break

1340
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:31,119
so we'll just do this really quick but

1341
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:34,000
the first thing through his mind

1342
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:37,760
is uh not necessarily ufos or et's but

1343
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:40,400
who is going to clean this crap up

1344
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:42,720
exactly there was so much of it and

1345
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:44,960
before i mean prior to this it was a

1346
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:47,200
matter of just gathering it up tossing

1347
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:49,440
it into the back of the pickup truck

1348
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:51,599
uh and that was the extent of it but

1349
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:55,200
this was beyond it's like my god i'm i

1350
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:57,119
don't have any hired hands i'm the

1351
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:00,559
supervisor on this ranch 700 k head of

1352
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:03,599
cattle and sheep and i sure don't have

1353
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:06,319
time to spend now days gathering up

1354
01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:08,559
every last shard of this wreckage and

1355
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:11,359
where cattle and sheep are notoriously

1356
01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:13,280
like goats they eat up everything in

1357
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:16,000
their path and so i got to make sure you

1358
01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:18,319
know i clean this up as soon as possible

1359
01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:20,720
but again who's responsible who's going

1360
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:23,839
to come out and clean this all up let's

1361
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:25,280
take our break right here our guest

1362
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:27,359
tonight the one and only don schmidt it

1363
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:30,559
is the 75th anniversary of roswell

1364
01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:34,079
tonight it is roswell revisited

1365
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:35,440
it's going to be a great conversation

1366
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:36,559
stay right there we're going to pick up

1367
01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:38,000
where we left off

1368
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:39,520
on july

1369
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:42,799
3rd i'm your old chimney church this is

1370
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:44,720
fade to black on the nx and game changer

1371
01:00:59,630 --> 01:00:46,640
networks we'll be right back more with

1372
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:07,430
[Music]

1373
01:01:13,170 --> 01:01:09,750
this is faded black with jimmy church on

1374
01:01:14,710 --> 01:01:13,180
the game changer radio network

1375
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:14,720
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1376
01:01:20,549 --> 01:01:17,119
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1377
01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:20,559
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1378
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:25,910
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jimmy church and fade to black on the

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listen i know and you know that you've

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hi grace hobbs with the x obviously if

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you're listening to this you have an

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interest in unexplained phenomena like

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ghosts bigfoot and ufos and by now you

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know that we have our own x-blog the

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next newsletter and the unex magazine

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quarterly but most of you don't know

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that we have started our very own

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safety this two-day ex-con will be

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include whitley strieber micah hanks

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margie k and preston dennett lisa martin

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and wayne lawrence lee spiegel debbie

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zaglemeyer dan terry kate bravosky and

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ray hernandez there will also be a live

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hang out with us in the safety of home

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01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:25,359
as we set out to explain the unexplained

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friend jimmy church fade to black

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we're the honey brothers

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and you're listening to jimmy church a

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01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:18,960
this is jimmy church of fade to black

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not by just going to our membership

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hello this is serena wright taylor from

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conscious life expo and you're listening

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to fade to black with jimmy church who

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01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:36,640
holds the lucky pony record for the best

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astrological chart since 1963. true

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story

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01:05:45,349 --> 01:05:43,760
this is micah hanks of the ghrelian

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01:05:47,330 --> 01:05:45,359
report and you're listening to jimmy

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church on fade to black

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[Music]

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01:06:07,510 --> 01:05:51,630
[Applause]

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:10,720
am your host jimmy church tonight don

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01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:13,119
schmidt is with us it is the 75th

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01:06:18,789 --> 01:06:16,000
anniversary this year of roswell tonight

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01:06:20,549 --> 01:06:18,799
it's roswell revisited we're gonna do

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01:06:24,309 --> 01:06:20,559
the whole thing a to z

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01:06:27,910 --> 01:06:24,319
and uh now right before the break

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01:06:31,029 --> 01:06:27,920
we threw the underarm softball pitch

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01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:31,039
that is uh july 2nd

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01:06:36,549 --> 01:06:34,079
uh was the date of the crash july 3rd

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01:06:37,829 --> 01:06:36,559
mack brazil heads out uh with the young

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01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:37,839
compadre

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01:06:43,589 --> 01:06:40,400
uh they stumbled upon the debris field

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01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:43,599
that was july 3rd

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01:06:49,270 --> 01:06:46,400
i want to jump ahead in the timeline a

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01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:49,280
little bit and go to

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01:06:54,150 --> 01:06:53,280
uh mac brazil driving to town

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01:06:56,870 --> 01:06:54,160
in

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01:06:58,710 --> 01:06:56,880
and and so what date was that when did

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01:07:02,309 --> 01:06:58,720
he show up complaining

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01:07:06,390 --> 01:07:02,319
that was sunday july 6th he made about a

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01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:06,400
65-mile drive into roswell

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01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:08,480
and he didn't go to the military he

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01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:10,480
rather went to the courthouse he went to

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01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:11,760
the sheriff

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01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:13,680
george wilcox

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01:07:18,630 --> 01:07:16,079
and uh he plunked some of the wreckage

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01:07:21,349 --> 01:07:18,640
right down on his desk

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01:07:23,589 --> 01:07:21,359
and i have a whole pasture i have a

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01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:23,599
whole field of this

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01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:25,920
and uh you know i demand that somebody

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01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:29,039
you know come out and clean this all up

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01:07:34,630 --> 01:07:32,160
and who should call up

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01:07:35,670 --> 01:07:34,640
the sheriff's department at that very

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01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:35,680
time

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01:07:41,430 --> 01:07:37,680
but a reporter by the name of frank

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01:07:42,390 --> 01:07:41,440
joyce from radio station kgfl pick up

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01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:42,400
some

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01:07:47,190 --> 01:07:44,640
you know late breaking scuttle for his

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01:07:49,589 --> 01:07:47,200
next newscast that type of thing

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01:07:51,910 --> 01:07:49,599
and uh the sheriff says i think there's

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01:07:53,109 --> 01:07:51,920
somebody here you might like to talk

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01:07:55,349 --> 01:07:53,119
with

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01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:55,359
and and joyce would would tell us he

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01:07:59,029 --> 01:07:57,359
would describe that

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01:08:01,510 --> 01:07:59,039
the voice on the other end and he didn't

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01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:01,520
get the name at first but that he was

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01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:04,079
quite agitated he's quite upset

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01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:07,760
about all this wreckage

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01:08:10,710 --> 01:08:08,640
and

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01:08:13,029 --> 01:08:10,720
according to joyce then he became more

1524
01:08:15,029 --> 01:08:13,039
and more somber

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01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:15,039
more serious and he started talking

1526
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:18,080
about it was it was horrible it was

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01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:19,679
horrible

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01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:23,520
then what are you talking about you're

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01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:25,440
talking about wreckage and he kept going

1530
01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:29,520
no at another location it was horrible

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01:08:33,430 --> 01:08:32,080
and then what was horrible well it was

1532
01:08:37,269 --> 01:08:33,440
the stench

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01:08:38,950 --> 01:08:37,279
it was terrible it was horrible and then

1534
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:38,960
joyce asks you what are you talking

1535
01:08:42,070 --> 01:08:40,560
about bodies

1536
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:42,080
well you know

1537
01:08:44,550 --> 01:08:42,880
they're

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01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:44,560
going to launch

1539
01:08:49,349 --> 01:08:46,880
possibly you know something when those

1540
01:08:52,229 --> 01:08:49,359
those rockets over at the white sands

1541
01:08:54,870 --> 01:08:52,239
proving ground maybe it was a monkey and

1542
01:08:55,990 --> 01:08:54,880
to which joyce said that the voice fired

1543
01:08:58,870 --> 01:08:56,000
back

1544
01:09:01,269 --> 01:08:58,880
they weren't any damn monkeys they

1545
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:01,279
weren't human

1546
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:04,319
so that part of it is consistent with

1547
01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:07,920
the fact that it was a day or two later

1548
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:09,600
after discovering

1549
01:09:13,510 --> 01:09:11,120
the debris field

1550
01:09:14,950 --> 01:09:13,520
that brazil in the company of his son

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01:09:17,510 --> 01:09:14,960
vernon

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01:09:20,149 --> 01:09:17,520
and timothy d proctor

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01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:20,159
uh son of a hired hand by the name of

1554
01:09:24,309 --> 01:09:22,080
sydney jack wright

1555
01:09:26,070 --> 01:09:24,319
and we believe it was a young girl a

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01:09:28,229 --> 01:09:26,080
teenage girl also at that time by the

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01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:28,239
name of eddington

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01:09:33,349 --> 01:09:31,279
and that as so often especially after

1559
01:09:35,829 --> 01:09:33,359
bad storms

1560
01:09:38,550 --> 01:09:35,839
they would search out for dying uh down

1561
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:38,560
livestock the cattle and sheep it's high

1562
01:09:42,070 --> 01:09:40,560
desert the the lightning actually

1563
01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:42,080
strikes the ground

1564
01:09:46,870 --> 01:09:44,799
and so the the the animals are like

1565
01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:46,880
lightning rods out there in the high

1566
01:09:51,110 --> 01:09:48,960
desert and so they would watch for

1567
01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:51,120
circling birds

1568
01:09:55,830 --> 01:09:52,960
hawks eagles that type of thing

1569
01:09:58,630 --> 01:09:55,840
suggesting you know a downed animal and

1570
01:10:01,510 --> 01:09:58,640
that's where two and a half miles east

1571
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:01,520
southeast of the debris field

1572
01:10:07,030 --> 01:10:03,920
they discovered atop a bluff

1573
01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:07,040
which we've had witnesses take us to

1574
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:10,080
and as uh timothy d proctor before he

1575
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:12,159
died when he took his late mother out

1576
01:10:16,870 --> 01:10:15,520
there loretta all he would admit was as

1577
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:16,880
he told her

1578
01:10:24,630 --> 01:10:22,239
this is where mac found something else

1579
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:24,640
that's how he put it

1580
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:29,280
and so if we are going to understand

1581
01:10:33,430 --> 01:10:30,880
uh and

1582
01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:33,440
i'm so glad that we're doing this show

1583
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:36,400
that i think that most people imagine

1584
01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:39,120
uh the original debris field was the

1585
01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:40,480
crash site

1586
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:41,920
right the

1587
01:10:47,750 --> 01:10:45,679
the craft came in crashed

1588
01:10:50,070 --> 01:10:47,760
i think put a gouge in the ground right

1589
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:50,080
well actually there was it was a bitter

1590
01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:52,560
explosion

1591
01:10:56,229 --> 01:10:54,320
even the head of intelligence major

1592
01:10:59,669 --> 01:10:56,239
jessie marcel

1593
01:11:03,030 --> 01:10:59,679
when he first arrived at the scene

1594
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:03,040
his first reaction was my god there's so

1595
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:06,640
much material and then by the pattern in

1596
01:11:10,070 --> 01:11:08,400
which the debris

1597
01:11:10,870 --> 01:11:10,080
was fanned

1598
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:10,880
to

1599
01:11:16,229 --> 01:11:13,600
cover that area of almost a mile long

1600
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:16,239
right said they immediately determined

1601
01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:19,760
that it had to be a mid-air explosion

1602
01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:22,239
that something had happened to cause it

1603
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:26,159
to break up so where where mac first

1604
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:28,560
came upon the debris field

1605
01:11:33,669 --> 01:11:30,800
that was debris

1606
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:33,679
from the explosion then the craft

1607
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:35,040
continued

1608
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:37,600
another two miles from the original

1609
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:39,440
debris field that everybody has seen

1610
01:11:42,709 --> 01:11:41,760
reenacted right with all the troops out

1611
01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:42,719
there

1612
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:46,400
that the craft then crashed

1613
01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:49,120
into the ground uh two and a half miles

1614
01:11:51,430 --> 01:11:50,000
away

1615
01:11:54,870 --> 01:11:51,440
well actually

1616
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:54,880
no three distinct sites the debris field

1617
01:12:01,110 --> 01:11:57,840
right a secondary body site two and a

1618
01:12:01,990 --> 01:12:01,120
half miles east southeast of the debris

1619
01:12:05,669 --> 01:12:02,000
field

1620
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:05,679
and then closer to roswell 35 to 40

1621
01:12:10,790 --> 01:12:09,360
miles north of roswell a final impact

1622
01:12:12,390 --> 01:12:10,800
site

1623
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:12,400
so and that would be

1624
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:14,719
uh more of an egg-shaped size of a

1625
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:17,520
volkswagen beethoven as described by

1626
01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:20,159
both military and civilian

1627
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:23,840
a pod a capsule whether it was the

1628
01:12:30,229 --> 01:12:27,440
internal cabin of the original craft but

1629
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:30,239
that's where the additional bodies

1630
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:32,400
and a survivor

1631
01:12:38,709 --> 01:12:34,320
were recovered

1632
01:12:39,669 --> 01:12:38,719
so three distinct sites so how did okay

1633
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:39,679
um

1634
01:12:43,110 --> 01:12:40,640
so

1635
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:43,120
three we have three sites

1636
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:46,560
and uh brazil's in town complaining

1637
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:47,920
joyce

1638
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:51,120
um now get wind of it

1639
01:12:53,110 --> 01:12:52,000
correct

1640
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:53,120
then

1641
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:56,080
somebody reaches out to roswell army

1642
01:13:01,110 --> 01:12:58,320
airfield that was the sheriff that was

1643
01:13:03,910 --> 01:13:01,120
the sheriff was that did that happen on

1644
01:13:04,790 --> 01:13:03,920
the same day yes yes that was on july

1645
01:13:08,950 --> 01:13:04,800
6th

1646
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:08,960
because what joyce strongly urged

1647
01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:11,920
uh brazil to do was to contact the

1648
01:13:17,110 --> 01:13:15,760
military this sounds like a military

1649
01:13:20,870 --> 01:13:17,120
situation

1650
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:20,880
and whether they are aware or not

1651
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:23,920
you're the one person who can take them

1652
01:13:28,709 --> 01:13:26,320
to the very location

1653
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:28,719
so you need to contact

1654
01:13:34,390 --> 01:13:31,840
especially the 509th they already were

1655
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:34,400
famous for having essentially ended

1656
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:36,560
world war two right right two toppings

1657
01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:39,120
of the atomic bomb over japan and so it

1658
01:13:42,709 --> 01:13:41,440
was then the sheriff and who should pick

1659
01:13:45,270 --> 01:13:42,719
up the phone

1660
01:13:48,229 --> 01:13:45,280
at the base but none other than the very

1661
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:48,239
head of intelligence he was at the px he

1662
01:13:54,790 --> 01:13:51,280
was having a sandwich at the time so it

1663
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:54,800
was the head of the 509th intelligence

1664
01:14:02,149 --> 01:13:58,320
major jesse marcel senior

1665
01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:02,159
and he drives out

1666
01:14:06,310 --> 01:14:05,040
goes to the courthouse he examines some

1667
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:06,320
of the wreckage

1668
01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:10,080
and he too is totally befuddled he's

1669
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:12,960
never seen anything like this before

1670
01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:14,719
now keeping in mind jimmy this is a

1671
01:14:19,510 --> 01:14:17,360
fourth of july weekend

1672
01:14:22,149 --> 01:14:19,520
most of the officers most of the base

1673
01:14:24,630 --> 01:14:22,159
personnel are home on leave

1674
01:14:27,669 --> 01:14:24,640
it's important enough

1675
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:27,679
that marcel goes back to the base

1676
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:30,800
and he immediately alerts the very base

1677
01:14:35,669 --> 01:14:34,239
commander colonel william blanchard

1678
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:35,679
who happen to live

1679
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:37,920
on the west side is the house it's a

1680
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:40,800
it's a ranch house ranch uh brick house

1681
01:14:45,030 --> 01:14:42,480
that's still there

1682
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:45,040
and he he went right to the base

1683
01:14:49,189 --> 01:14:46,159
commander

1684
01:14:52,870 --> 01:14:49,199
and informed him about you know his

1685
01:14:54,149 --> 01:14:52,880
debris field this wreckage and more

1686
01:14:56,470 --> 01:14:54,159
and

1687
01:14:59,189 --> 01:14:56,480
the blanchard could have just you know

1688
01:15:01,189 --> 01:14:59,199
dispatched a couple of enlisted men

1689
01:15:03,430 --> 01:15:01,199
humor the rancher you know just go check

1690
01:15:06,709 --> 01:15:03,440
it out that type of thing but no

1691
01:15:09,750 --> 01:15:06,719
he dispatches marcel

1692
01:15:13,030 --> 01:15:09,760
as well as a counterintelligence officer

1693
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:13,040
by the name of captain sheridan cavett

1694
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:15,600
in the event it's something foreign

1695
01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:18,239
because as blanchard himself would say

1696
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:19,840
afterwards

1697
01:15:26,950 --> 01:15:23,760
at first we thought it had to be russian

1698
01:15:28,149 --> 01:15:26,960
because none of us could identify the

1699
01:15:31,350 --> 01:15:28,159
material

1700
01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:31,360
but then we quickly realized it wasn't

1701
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:33,280
and the point being

1702
01:15:37,990 --> 01:15:35,840
nothing has been reported missing

1703
01:15:40,310 --> 01:15:38,000
they haven't been testing anything that

1704
01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:40,320
they are on standby that if anybody

1705
01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:42,640
reports anything that has gone off

1706
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:45,520
course or has gone missing that type of

1707
01:15:50,550 --> 01:15:47,360
thing be on the lookout

1708
01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:50,560
and the point being if it's not ours

1709
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:53,440
then whose is it what does this now

1710
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:55,120
represent

1711
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:58,000
so he sends out marcel and cabot to

1712
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:00,960
follow brazil and to investigate this

1713
01:16:06,950 --> 01:16:03,840
firsthand now it's 65 miles away did

1714
01:16:09,030 --> 01:16:06,960
they do all of this on july 6th

1715
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:09,040
correct okay by the time they would

1716
01:16:14,229 --> 01:16:11,280
arrive at the ranch

1717
01:16:16,630 --> 01:16:14,239
the sun was already setting sure

1718
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:16,640
so they would spend the night as marcel

1719
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:20,400
would describe at the heinz house that

1720
01:16:25,510 --> 01:16:22,960
was a one-room shack about three miles

1721
01:16:27,830 --> 01:16:25,520
north of the debris field

1722
01:16:30,870 --> 01:16:27,840
uh marcel would talk about how they had

1723
01:16:32,310 --> 01:16:30,880
a can of cold beans and some crackers

1724
01:16:34,630 --> 01:16:32,320
that night

1725
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:34,640
and it was the next morning

1726
01:16:37,590 --> 01:16:35,440
that

1727
01:16:39,189 --> 01:16:37,600
um brazil led them

1728
01:16:41,590 --> 01:16:39,199
to the debris field

1729
01:16:45,669 --> 01:16:41,600
and again as i described that first

1730
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:45,679
reaction my god look at how much debris

1731
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:48,800
and how it covers such a long swat

1732
01:16:53,189 --> 01:16:50,480
of of land

1733
01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:53,199
and that it must it must have been a

1734
01:16:57,350 --> 01:16:54,960
mid-air explosion

1735
01:16:57,990 --> 01:16:57,360
they would then start to check with uh

1736
01:17:00,950 --> 01:16:58,000
uh

1737
01:17:03,189 --> 01:17:00,960
radar as far as radiation they would

1738
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:03,199
check especially with a geiger meter

1739
01:17:08,390 --> 01:17:05,760
there was any radiation present

1740
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:08,400
and then they proceeded to gather up

1741
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:10,560
as much of the wreckage as they could

1742
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:12,880
they filled up two vehicles cap was

1743
01:17:19,030 --> 01:17:15,440
driving a jeep carry all with a box in

1744
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:19,040
back and marcel was driving his 42 buick

1745
01:17:23,110 --> 01:17:20,800
convertible

1746
01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:23,120
so they loaded up two vehicles and there

1747
01:17:26,950 --> 01:17:24,400
was still

1748
01:17:29,110 --> 01:17:26,960
so much wreckage out there

1749
01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:29,120
that it would take days

1750
01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:31,280
and dozens of troops to finish the

1751
01:17:37,750 --> 01:17:34,159
cleanup well okay so we'll get back to

1752
01:17:38,950 --> 01:17:37,760
that so they they depart and

1753
01:17:41,430 --> 01:17:38,960
uh

1754
01:17:43,590 --> 01:17:41,440
they didn't go to the body site

1755
01:17:46,310 --> 01:17:43,600
right they were only at the debris field

1756
01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:46,320
you don't know that right okay i don't

1757
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:47,440
know

1758
01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:49,920
because obviously

1759
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:53,440
the fallback with wreckage is that

1760
01:17:58,550 --> 01:17:56,400
you can always explain away the most

1761
01:18:00,229 --> 01:17:58,560
exotic material

1762
01:18:02,550 --> 01:18:00,239
is something advanced that's something

1763
01:18:04,709 --> 01:18:02,560
that we're working on is tops the moment

1764
01:18:06,310 --> 01:18:04,719
you start talking about non-human bodies

1765
01:18:10,070 --> 01:18:06,320
how do you put that genie back in the

1766
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:10,080
bottle no you can't um but uh but my

1767
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:12,800
question is because of that

1768
01:18:18,709 --> 01:18:15,840
now they they head back to the base

1769
01:18:21,189 --> 01:18:18,719
right um and and they've got the debris

1770
01:18:22,790 --> 01:18:21,199
with them at that point

1771
01:18:27,270 --> 01:18:22,800
was uh

1772
01:18:29,270 --> 01:18:27,280
marcel talking about bodies

1773
01:18:31,270 --> 01:18:29,280
no he was not

1774
01:18:34,390 --> 01:18:31,280
because marcel

1775
01:18:35,990 --> 01:18:34,400
being the senior officer had sent cabot

1776
01:18:38,709 --> 01:18:36,000
on ahead

1777
01:18:41,669 --> 01:18:38,719
because he had other plans

1778
01:18:44,470 --> 01:18:41,679
the marcellus lived off the base at that

1779
01:18:46,790 --> 01:18:44,480
time they were on 7th street

1780
01:18:48,709 --> 01:18:46,800
a little over 10 miles away from the

1781
01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:48,719
front gate

1782
01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:51,040
and as you

1783
01:18:54,709 --> 01:18:52,880
you certainly finally remember because

1784
01:18:57,189 --> 01:18:54,719
you talked to him you met with him yes

1785
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:57,199
jesse marcel jr yep

1786
01:19:00,390 --> 01:18:58,800
how they're aroused during the middle of

1787
01:19:01,750 --> 01:19:00,400
the night it's two o'clock in the

1788
01:19:04,310 --> 01:19:01,760
morning

1789
01:19:05,669 --> 01:19:04,320
and he's the only child

1790
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:05,679
and he

1791
01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:08,480
and their mother vian

1792
01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:10,800
his mother they're taken in the kitchen

1793
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:13,520
and here's all this wreckage scattered

1794
01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:16,480
on the kitchen floor

1795
01:19:23,110 --> 01:19:19,280
and jesse jr examines some of the

1796
01:19:25,510 --> 01:19:23,120
wreckage and he sees an i-beam structure

1797
01:19:28,149 --> 01:19:25,520
of the same wreckage same material and

1798
01:19:29,990 --> 01:19:28,159
it has these symbols that ran the length

1799
01:19:31,510 --> 01:19:30,000
of each strip

1800
01:19:32,950 --> 01:19:31,520
nothing that

1801
01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:32,960
we've

1802
01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:37,440
able to decode those symbols but

1803
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:40,480
nonetheless it was important enough that

1804
01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:42,480
jess senior

1805
01:19:46,470 --> 01:19:44,719
wanted his son

1806
01:19:47,669 --> 01:19:46,480
to see this

1807
01:19:50,310 --> 01:19:47,679
before

1808
01:19:52,950 --> 01:19:50,320
he was sure of it all classified top

1809
01:19:55,030 --> 01:19:52,960
secret he'd never had the chance again

1810
01:19:58,390 --> 01:19:55,040
and he also had a chance to play with

1811
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:58,400
the memory medal precisely precisely

1812
01:20:02,470 --> 01:20:00,480
uh you know something i don't know that

1813
01:20:06,229 --> 01:20:02,480
we ever even talked about jimmy is the

1814
01:20:09,669 --> 01:20:06,239
fact that may of 1990

1815
01:20:11,030 --> 01:20:09,679
we had a lot the late dr john watkins

1816
01:20:13,830 --> 01:20:11,040
who was a

1817
01:20:16,310 --> 01:20:13,840
professor emeritus at the university of

1818
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:16,320
montana in missoula

1819
01:20:22,149 --> 01:20:19,520
and dr watkins was famous for getting

1820
01:20:23,830 --> 01:20:22,159
the hillside strangler

1821
01:20:27,510 --> 01:20:23,840
to confess

1822
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:27,520
his crimes under regression

1823
01:20:32,709 --> 01:20:29,760
so he went into you know

1824
01:20:34,310 --> 01:20:32,719
detailed descriptions as far as of each

1825
01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:34,320
assault of each murder that type of

1826
01:20:38,790 --> 01:20:35,280
thing

1827
01:20:41,590 --> 01:20:38,800
so we were fortunate enough because uh

1828
01:20:42,550 --> 01:20:41,600
dr marcel jr was an ear nose and throat

1829
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:42,560
surgeon

1830
01:20:49,030 --> 01:20:46,400
up in helena at that time montana in

1831
01:20:52,629 --> 01:20:49,040
montana and dr watkins was right there

1832
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:52,639
and he agreed to do the regression we

1833
01:20:55,990 --> 01:20:54,000
wanted to take

1834
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:56,000
dr marcel

1835
01:21:00,390 --> 01:20:59,040
jesse marcel jr back to that early

1836
01:21:03,750 --> 01:21:00,400
morning

1837
01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:03,760
of tuesday july 8th to have him relive

1838
01:21:08,629 --> 01:21:05,520
the experience

1839
01:21:12,470 --> 01:21:08,639
and we did this in front of a film crew

1840
01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:12,480
from the today show from nbc

1841
01:21:16,229 --> 01:21:14,800
now it was it was fascinating to watch

1842
01:21:19,030 --> 01:21:16,239
because it was like professional

1843
01:21:20,950 --> 01:21:19,040
resistance doctor against doctor

1844
01:21:24,070 --> 01:21:20,960
right

1845
01:21:26,310 --> 01:21:24,080
jess jr was a hard nut to crack it took

1846
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:26,320
the third session we started early

1847
01:21:31,189 --> 01:21:28,560
afternoon we went in the late afternoon

1848
01:21:36,229 --> 01:21:31,199
and it wasn't until early evening that

1849
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:36,239
he finally got just back to that time

1850
01:21:40,229 --> 01:21:38,320
and what was so

1851
01:21:44,709 --> 01:21:40,239
just so totally fascinating to watch

1852
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:44,719
jimmy was that dr marcel jesse jr

1853
01:21:50,070 --> 01:21:47,760
was acting this out he was reliving it

1854
01:21:52,629 --> 01:21:50,080
in the first person

1855
01:21:55,510 --> 01:21:52,639
it was it was as though it had it was

1856
01:21:58,870 --> 01:21:55,520
happening right before us right before

1857
01:21:59,990 --> 01:21:58,880
our eyes wow and the way his father kept

1858
01:22:01,510 --> 01:22:00,000
saying

1859
01:22:06,470 --> 01:22:01,520
flying saucer

1860
01:22:09,270 --> 01:22:06,480
never any question

1861
01:22:11,990 --> 01:22:09,280
about this being maybe a plane an

1862
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:12,000
aircraft a rocket there was certainly no

1863
01:22:16,390 --> 01:22:14,080
discussion of it being remnants of a

1864
01:22:19,030 --> 01:22:16,400
weather balloon kite

1865
01:22:22,870 --> 01:22:19,040
so it kept coming back to

1866
01:22:25,110 --> 01:22:22,880
wreckage from a flying saucer crash

1867
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:25,120
well jimmy what we didn't

1868
01:22:29,430 --> 01:22:28,000
expect what we didn't anticipate was his

1869
01:22:31,030 --> 01:22:29,440
dad

1870
01:22:32,790 --> 01:22:31,040
major marcel

1871
01:22:34,790 --> 01:22:32,800
who had died who had retired a

1872
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:34,800
lieutenant colonel

1873
01:22:40,070 --> 01:22:37,360
we didn't anticipate

1874
01:22:42,470 --> 01:22:40,080
the fact that his dad

1875
01:22:44,790 --> 01:22:42,480
had just passed away four years before

1876
01:22:48,149 --> 01:22:44,800
just four years

1877
01:22:49,350 --> 01:22:48,159
and when dr wyatt kids brought dr marcel

1878
01:22:53,350 --> 01:22:49,360
out of the

1879
01:22:55,750 --> 01:22:53,360
trance and he opened his eyes and he

1880
01:22:58,070 --> 01:22:55,760
looked from one side of the room to the

1881
01:22:59,030 --> 01:22:58,080
other and he went dead

1882
01:23:01,350 --> 01:22:59,040
dead

1883
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:01,360
and then the tears started screaming it

1884
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:04,560
was like oh my god we just caused him to

1885
01:23:10,790 --> 01:23:08,159
lose his dad all over again wow but the

1886
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:10,800
significance of it was jimmy is that

1887
01:23:17,350 --> 01:23:14,320
it was that real to him he as i said he

1888
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:17,360
was reliving it exactly as his

1889
01:23:21,590 --> 01:23:18,960
subconscious

1890
01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:21,600
you know recreated it and has he

1891
01:23:26,310 --> 01:23:22,960
described it

1892
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:26,320
for us in the presence of that film crew

1893
01:23:32,870 --> 01:23:29,440
they never did show it on the today show

1894
01:23:34,709 --> 01:23:32,880
uh the the co-host of the the show brian

1895
01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:34,719
gumbel

1896
01:23:38,550 --> 01:23:36,000
nixon

1897
01:23:43,350 --> 01:23:38,560
said it was too controversial

1898
01:23:48,629 --> 01:23:44,709
so

1899
01:23:51,110 --> 01:23:48,639
it was never never aired now uh things

1900
01:23:54,310 --> 01:23:51,120
uh at this point traveled pretty quick i

1901
01:23:57,030 --> 01:23:54,320
mean things started moving fast right

1902
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:57,040
that after that night uh

1903
01:24:02,149 --> 01:24:00,560
uh you know at the house uh with major

1904
01:24:03,669 --> 01:24:02,159
marcel and his son

1905
01:24:05,830 --> 01:24:03,679
jesse jr

1906
01:24:07,750 --> 01:24:05,840
um that day passes he's now got the

1907
01:24:10,950 --> 01:24:07,760
debris in the back of his car

1908
01:24:13,350 --> 01:24:10,960
right he makes his way back uh to the

1909
01:24:16,390 --> 01:24:13,360
roswell army airfield by the way we keep

1910
01:24:20,149 --> 01:24:16,400
saying army airfield so for everybody to

1911
01:24:22,870 --> 01:24:20,159
understand the timeline of our military

1912
01:24:25,830 --> 01:24:22,880
at that time we didn't have an air force

1913
01:24:28,470 --> 01:24:25,840
it wasn't the air force yet it was still

1914
01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:28,480
the army uh air force

1915
01:24:34,070 --> 01:24:31,520
so okay so they they they go back uh he

1916
01:24:35,030 --> 01:24:34,080
goes back to the airfield

1917
01:24:37,350 --> 01:24:35,040
and

1918
01:24:39,350 --> 01:24:37,360
um if you want to fill in something here

1919
01:24:41,669 --> 01:24:39,360
you can but

1920
01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:41,679
uh the next part of the timeline for me

1921
01:24:47,669 --> 01:24:44,719
which i think is most important is now

1922
01:24:48,629 --> 01:24:47,679
we get uh howt involved

1923
01:24:50,149 --> 01:24:48,639
um

1924
01:24:54,550 --> 01:24:50,159
there is

1925
01:24:55,510 --> 01:24:54,560
uh a press release that is generated

1926
01:25:01,189 --> 01:24:55,520
and

1927
01:25:03,189 --> 01:25:01,199
timeline of that without who was the i

1928
01:25:05,030 --> 01:25:03,199
guess he was the pr person for the base

1929
01:25:05,830 --> 01:25:05,040
right the public information officer

1930
01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:05,840
right

1931
01:25:08,950 --> 01:25:07,600
walter g hot

1932
01:25:11,189 --> 01:25:08,960
and

1933
01:25:12,790 --> 01:25:11,199
marcel arrived back at the base as you

1934
01:25:14,470 --> 01:25:12,800
described because that was his mission

1935
01:25:17,270 --> 01:25:14,480
that was his assignment

1936
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:17,280
cabot had already arrived you know

1937
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:19,679
late that evening before

1938
01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:21,760
marcel even spent the rest of the night

1939
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:23,760
at home he cleaned up a little bit and

1940
01:25:29,030 --> 01:25:26,400
then he reported back to the base they

1941
01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:29,040
moved up the staff meeting a half hour

1942
01:25:33,030 --> 01:25:31,520
that morning and pretty much it was

1943
01:25:34,229 --> 01:25:33,040
spelled out exactly what they were going

1944
01:25:35,189 --> 01:25:34,239
to do

1945
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:35,199
and

1946
01:25:39,510 --> 01:25:36,480
at noon

1947
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:39,520
mountain time because this is now what

1948
01:25:44,709 --> 01:25:41,360
for the timeline for everybody we're

1949
01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:44,719
only at july 7th

1950
01:25:50,629 --> 01:25:47,600
okay so the crash happened july 2nd uh

1951
01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:50,639
brazil finds it july 3rd

1952
01:25:56,790 --> 01:25:54,159
makes it to town july 6th they go out

1953
01:25:58,950 --> 01:25:56,800
they collected debris uh they're back at

1954
01:26:01,590 --> 01:25:58,960
the army the overnight at the hot right

1955
01:26:04,709 --> 01:26:01,600
so now we're at july 7th now we're at

1956
01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:04,719
july 8th well the roswell daily record

1957
01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:07,520
was july 8th right that's right that's

1958
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:10,080
right so they got the pres this is why

1959
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:12,480
when i say things are clicking

1960
01:26:18,870 --> 01:26:15,760
yes things are moving very very fast at

1961
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:18,880
this point absolutely and house name was

1962
01:26:22,950 --> 01:26:21,600
h-a-u-t am i correct

1963
01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:22,960
yes

1964
01:26:28,470 --> 01:26:25,760
he changed it just to make it more

1965
01:26:31,030 --> 01:26:28,480
spellable because they were misspelling

1966
01:26:33,590 --> 01:26:31,040
it through all the press accounts at

1967
01:26:35,350 --> 01:26:33,600
that time so he finally settled on

1968
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:35,360
h-a-u-t

1969
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:36,400
right

1970
01:26:43,669 --> 01:26:41,040
uh they need to generate this uh uh

1971
01:26:44,790 --> 01:26:43,679
press release how did that come about

1972
01:26:46,550 --> 01:26:44,800
well

1973
01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:46,560
what had happened

1974
01:26:50,470 --> 01:26:49,040
while marcel and cabot were at the

1975
01:26:51,669 --> 01:26:50,480
debris field

1976
01:26:54,950 --> 01:26:51,679
that monday

1977
01:26:57,830 --> 01:26:54,960
filling up those two vehicles

1978
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:57,840
there were reports of

1979
01:27:02,310 --> 01:27:01,040
the impact site north of town

1980
01:27:04,950 --> 01:27:02,320
we believe it was a team of

1981
01:27:06,070 --> 01:27:04,960
archaeologists from western

1982
01:27:07,590 --> 01:27:06,080
tech

1983
01:27:11,030 --> 01:27:07,600
university

1984
01:27:12,070 --> 01:27:11,040
under the direction of professor

1985
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:12,080
william

1986
01:27:14,229 --> 01:27:13,199
c

1987
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:14,239
holden

1988
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:18,480
and that they were working in that

1989
01:27:22,550 --> 01:27:19,920
general area

1990
01:27:23,669 --> 01:27:22,560
they stumbled they came upon the impact

1991
01:27:26,950 --> 01:27:23,679
site

1992
01:27:28,629 --> 01:27:26,960
and they too reported it to the sheriff

1993
01:27:31,910 --> 01:27:28,639
it was one of the reasons that we very

1994
01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:31,920
early on jimmy why did the sheriff go

1995
01:27:35,669 --> 01:27:33,520
north of town

1996
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:35,679
why did the fire divided representatives

1997
01:27:40,149 --> 01:27:38,639
of the fire department also venture

1998
01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:40,159
north of town

1999
01:27:43,830 --> 01:27:42,800
whereas the debris field is in a

2000
01:27:44,950 --> 01:27:43,840
separate

2001
01:27:47,030 --> 01:27:44,960
county

2002
01:27:49,590 --> 01:27:47,040
they would have had no jurisdiction it

2003
01:27:51,910 --> 01:27:49,600
kept pointing back to something much

2004
01:27:53,590 --> 01:27:51,920
closer to roswell

2005
01:27:54,790 --> 01:27:53,600
and as it turns out we were absolutely

2006
01:27:57,750 --> 01:27:54,800
correct

2007
01:27:59,830 --> 01:27:57,760
and especially when members of the

2008
01:28:01,590 --> 01:27:59,840
sheriff wilcox family

2009
01:28:02,790 --> 01:28:01,600
described that

2010
01:28:22,950 --> 01:28:02,800
he

2011
01:28:24,790 --> 01:28:22,960
bodies

2012
01:28:26,149 --> 01:28:24,800
so

2013
01:28:28,550 --> 01:28:26,159
the problem

2014
01:28:31,910 --> 01:28:28,560
that the military is now facing is that

2015
01:28:34,310 --> 01:28:31,920
brazil has already talked to the press

2016
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:34,320
he's talked to frank joyce at kgfl the

2017
01:28:39,030 --> 01:28:37,199
radio station and he's talked about the

2018
01:28:40,709 --> 01:28:39,040
bodies

2019
01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:40,719
and remember we said a moment ago you

2020
01:28:43,830 --> 01:28:42,560
can't put that genie back in the bottle

2021
01:28:46,550 --> 01:28:43,840
can't do it

2022
01:28:48,070 --> 01:28:46,560
so what they needed to do was use the

2023
01:28:50,709 --> 01:28:48,080
debris field

2024
01:28:53,350 --> 01:28:50,719
as the perfect diversion

2025
01:28:56,229 --> 01:28:53,360
they acknowledged it they admitted it

2026
01:28:58,390 --> 01:28:56,239
we have it we've recovered it as far as

2027
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:58,400
through the cooperation of the rancher

2028
01:29:02,149 --> 01:29:00,000
who they don't name

2029
01:29:04,950 --> 01:29:02,159
they put out the press release they

2030
01:29:06,950 --> 01:29:04,960
waited until noon to avoid all the

2031
01:29:10,390 --> 01:29:06,960
morning newspapers

2032
01:29:13,750 --> 01:29:10,400
and also by coming out at noon the hope

2033
01:29:16,629 --> 01:29:13,760
was they would have also missed most of

2034
01:29:18,550 --> 01:29:16,639
the afternoon papers which already were

2035
01:29:21,350 --> 01:29:18,560
going to press

2036
01:29:24,470 --> 01:29:21,360
and thankfully it was the san francisco

2037
01:29:27,830 --> 01:29:24,480
chronicle the lone newspaper that that

2038
01:29:31,110 --> 01:29:27,840
held back and managed to actually print

2039
01:29:33,110 --> 01:29:31,120
out that very press release that they

2040
01:29:35,350 --> 01:29:33,120
acknowledged they got one

2041
01:29:38,070 --> 01:29:35,360
we captured a flying saucer now no

2042
01:29:40,310 --> 01:29:38,080
mention of remains no mention of bodies

2043
01:29:43,590 --> 01:29:40,320
but at the only person they name in the

2044
01:29:45,990 --> 01:29:43,600
press release is major jesse marcel

2045
01:29:47,189 --> 01:29:46,000
who is loading

2046
01:29:48,470 --> 01:29:47,199
the craft

2047
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:48,480
the disc

2048
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:52,560
for analysis and higher headquarters

2049
01:29:56,229 --> 01:29:54,480
let's take our let's take our break

2050
01:29:58,870 --> 01:29:56,239
right here let's get that in

2051
01:30:01,510 --> 01:29:58,880
and when we come back the significance

2052
01:30:03,510 --> 01:30:01,520
of what is now happening not only

2053
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:03,520
uh with the press release going out we

2054
01:30:08,870 --> 01:30:06,400
have the famous radio broadcast uh

2055
01:30:10,870 --> 01:30:08,880
that that are now hitting the airwaves

2056
01:30:11,990 --> 01:30:10,880
and literally

2057
01:30:14,629 --> 01:30:12,000
every

2058
01:30:16,790 --> 01:30:14,639
reporter in the country

2059
01:30:18,870 --> 01:30:16,800
is traveling to roswell new mexico for

2060
01:30:20,390 --> 01:30:18,880
this breaking story let's uh pick all of

2061
01:30:22,470 --> 01:30:20,400
this up when we come back

2062
01:30:25,270 --> 01:30:22,480
i am your host jimmy church tonight don

2063
01:30:28,870 --> 01:30:25,280
schmidt is with us 75th anniversary of

2064
01:30:30,310 --> 01:30:28,880
roswell for roswell revisited we'll be

2065
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:30,320
right back after this short break stay

2066
01:30:43,330 --> 01:30:39,510
[Music]

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01:30:50,310 --> 01:30:43,340
do

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way out here we listen to jimmy church

2069
01:30:58,229 --> 01:30:55,630
you're listening to fade to black

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01:31:00,390 --> 01:30:58,239
[Applause]

2071
01:31:06,990 --> 01:31:00,400
you're listening to jimmy church and

2072
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:18,870
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2073
01:31:23,350 --> 01:31:21,270
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2074
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2077
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2078
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2079
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2080
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2081
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2082
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2083
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2084
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2087
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2098
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2099
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2104
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2136
01:34:14,629 --> 01:34:09,910
you are listening to fate to black with

2137
01:34:17,590 --> 01:34:15,430
hi

2138
01:34:21,110 --> 01:34:17,600
i'm lisa vance you're listening to jimmy

2139
01:34:24,149 --> 01:34:21,120
church this is revolution the revolution

2140
01:34:26,229 --> 01:34:24,159
will not be televised the revolution is

2141
01:34:30,950 --> 01:34:26,239
on radio

2142
01:35:08,870 --> 01:35:00,130
[Music]

2143
01:35:12,229 --> 01:35:10,550
welcome back fate to black i am your

2144
01:35:14,870 --> 01:35:12,239
host jimmy church tonight don schmidt is

2145
01:35:17,189 --> 01:35:14,880
with us the 75th anniversary of roswell

2146
01:35:19,030 --> 01:35:17,199
tonight's roswell revisited

2147
01:35:20,870 --> 01:35:19,040
and i'm going to reveal something to

2148
01:35:22,470 --> 01:35:20,880
everybody right now and i want to thank

2149
01:35:25,590 --> 01:35:22,480
don schmidt for this

2150
01:35:28,870 --> 01:35:25,600
that's don playing the guitar uh during

2151
01:35:31,590 --> 01:35:28,880
the break and and i you know and thank

2152
01:35:32,550 --> 01:35:31,600
you for writing that that song i didn't

2153
01:35:37,750 --> 01:35:32,560
know

2154
01:35:42,390 --> 01:35:40,310
i i did play piano years ago i never

2155
01:35:45,350 --> 01:35:42,400
played guitar you couldn't even respond

2156
01:35:46,229 --> 01:35:45,360
to that he couldn't even touch his life

2157
01:35:51,109 --> 01:35:46,239
um

2158
01:35:53,350 --> 01:35:51,119
that i've said this to you

2159
01:35:56,470 --> 01:35:53,360
many times before but

2160
01:35:57,990 --> 01:35:56,480
uh it's it's worth repeating in my

2161
01:35:59,750 --> 01:35:58,000
estimation

2162
01:36:01,350 --> 01:35:59,760
and we can take all the witnesses or we

2163
01:36:04,310 --> 01:36:01,360
could take all the evidence and we can

2164
01:36:07,910 --> 01:36:04,320
take everything there is about roswell

2165
01:36:10,950 --> 01:36:07,920
but the most significant piece

2166
01:36:13,590 --> 01:36:10,960
of evidence in the entire case

2167
01:36:14,310 --> 01:36:13,600
is that press release yes yes that's

2168
01:36:21,830 --> 01:36:14,320
that

2169
01:36:24,310 --> 01:36:21,840
for this simple reason

2170
01:36:27,030 --> 01:36:24,320
it was a calculated risk they

2171
01:36:28,950 --> 01:36:27,040
essentially had to create a strong man

2172
01:36:30,470 --> 01:36:28,960
build it up because they couldn't just

2173
01:36:32,390 --> 01:36:30,480
flatly deny

2174
01:36:34,629 --> 01:36:32,400
that something had happened something

2175
01:36:36,709 --> 01:36:34,639
had been recovered of an extraordinary

2176
01:36:38,229 --> 01:36:36,719
or ordinary nature

2177
01:36:40,790 --> 01:36:38,239
they had to go along with it but then

2178
01:36:42,550 --> 01:36:40,800
they in a typical military fashion which

2179
01:36:44,790 --> 01:36:42,560
they had mastered

2180
01:36:46,709 --> 01:36:44,800
you know the technique during world war

2181
01:36:48,470 --> 01:36:46,719
ii was you build it up and you tear it

2182
01:36:51,510 --> 01:36:48,480
down

2183
01:36:53,189 --> 01:36:51,520
and so yes i would agree with that and i

2184
01:36:55,590 --> 01:36:53,199
would agree with that only because of

2185
01:36:58,229 --> 01:36:55,600
what uh transpired immediately

2186
01:36:59,750 --> 01:36:58,239
afterwards right right but one thing is

2187
01:37:01,990 --> 01:36:59,760
for sure

2188
01:37:03,590 --> 01:37:02,000
it's the most top-secret base on planet

2189
01:37:07,270 --> 01:37:03,600
earth number one

2190
01:37:09,270 --> 01:37:07,280
number two all of the intelligence of

2191
01:37:13,030 --> 01:37:09,280
the world all the physicists and the

2192
01:37:14,629 --> 01:37:13,040
scientists everybody lived in new mexico

2193
01:37:16,629 --> 01:37:14,639
the most important laboratories in

2194
01:37:19,189 --> 01:37:16,639
research and everything else on planet

2195
01:37:21,270 --> 01:37:19,199
earth was happening at that time in the

2196
01:37:24,790 --> 01:37:21,280
state it still does actually in the

2197
01:37:29,109 --> 01:37:24,800
state of new mexico and when they wrote

2198
01:37:33,189 --> 01:37:29,119
that press release it was poured over

2199
01:37:35,030 --> 01:37:33,199
line by line word for word this wasn't

2200
01:37:36,950 --> 01:37:35,040
some willy-nilly

2201
01:37:37,910 --> 01:37:36,960
thing that was just released out to the

2202
01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:37,920
world

2203
01:37:43,189 --> 01:37:41,760
it was it was uh signed off on and

2204
01:37:44,950 --> 01:37:43,199
approved

2205
01:37:47,030 --> 01:37:44,960
right and and that

2206
01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:47,040
you could not be more correct jimmy it

2207
01:37:51,750 --> 01:37:49,280
was so well thought out and

2208
01:37:53,910 --> 01:37:51,760
we need to just digress for a moment

2209
01:37:56,149 --> 01:37:53,920
quickly in that

2210
01:37:57,590 --> 01:37:56,159
at the mo at the very time

2211
01:38:00,790 --> 01:37:57,600
that colonel blanchard the base

2212
01:38:02,629 --> 01:38:00,800
commander roswell sends marcel and cava

2213
01:38:04,870 --> 01:38:02,639
to investigate

2214
01:38:07,510 --> 01:38:04,880
what do you think he does he gets on the

2215
01:38:08,790 --> 01:38:07,520
phone and he talks to his boss

2216
01:38:10,629 --> 01:38:08,800
has to

2217
01:38:12,950 --> 01:38:10,639
yeah at least he tries to and that would

2218
01:38:15,030 --> 01:38:12,960
be brigadier general roger raymie

2219
01:38:18,149 --> 01:38:15,040
head of the 8th air force at port worth

2220
01:38:20,470 --> 01:38:18,159
army airfield in in texas well raymie is

2221
01:38:22,950 --> 01:38:20,480
in denton for the dedication dead in

2222
01:38:24,470 --> 01:38:22,960
texas for a dedication of an airplane

2223
01:38:27,510 --> 01:38:24,480
he's with family

2224
01:38:31,270 --> 01:38:27,520
so it's raymie's chief of staff colonel

2225
01:38:33,990 --> 01:38:31,280
thomas the bose who takes the call

2226
01:38:35,590 --> 01:38:34,000
and so again demonstrating what we're

2227
01:38:38,709 --> 01:38:35,600
dealing with here

2228
01:38:40,070 --> 01:38:38,719
so you have you have the base commander

2229
01:38:42,310 --> 01:38:40,080
at roswell

2230
01:38:44,550 --> 01:38:42,320
head of the 509 the first atomic bomb

2231
01:38:47,350 --> 01:38:44,560
squadron in the world it's important

2232
01:38:49,750 --> 01:38:47,360
enough that he calls his boss again on a

2233
01:38:51,910 --> 01:38:49,760
fourth of july weekend right

2234
01:38:53,669 --> 01:38:51,920
and he's unavailable so he speaks with

2235
01:38:56,629 --> 01:38:53,679
his aide

2236
01:38:59,109 --> 01:38:56,639
colonel dubose and then the bose

2237
01:39:00,390 --> 01:38:59,119
contacts washington he calls the

2238
01:39:04,149 --> 01:39:00,400
pentagon

2239
01:39:07,830 --> 01:39:04,159
and who calls him back within an hour

2240
01:39:10,790 --> 01:39:07,840
but the the assistant or the deputy

2241
01:39:13,510 --> 01:39:10,800
director of strategic air command

2242
01:39:15,189 --> 01:39:13,520
general clements mcmullen

2243
01:39:18,550 --> 01:39:15,199
ordering him

2244
01:39:21,990 --> 01:39:18,560
to have blanchard fly some of the

2245
01:39:25,430 --> 01:39:22,000
wreckage immediately to fort worth and

2246
01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:25,440
there the very base commander colonel al

2247
01:39:29,990 --> 01:39:26,400
clark

2248
01:39:33,109 --> 01:39:30,000
to strap it to his wrist and fly it

2249
01:39:36,390 --> 01:39:33,119
immediately to washington washington

2250
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:36,400
already has wreckage in hand by late

2251
01:39:42,390 --> 01:39:40,400
evening sunday july 6th when does the

2252
01:39:45,430 --> 01:39:42,400
press release go out

2253
01:39:48,790 --> 01:39:45,440
a day and a half later at noon mountain

2254
01:39:50,709 --> 01:39:48,800
time on tuesday july 8th so this is no

2255
01:39:52,709 --> 01:39:50,719
knee-jerk reaction this is no

2256
01:39:56,550 --> 01:39:52,719
overreaction on the part of anyone at

2257
01:40:00,149 --> 01:39:56,560
roswell it's thought out

2258
01:40:03,510 --> 01:40:00,159
of the press release is scripted so

2259
01:40:05,350 --> 01:40:03,520
precisely for a reason

2260
01:40:07,350 --> 01:40:05,360
now we have it

2261
01:40:08,790 --> 01:40:07,360
there's nothing nothing to see out there

2262
01:40:10,870 --> 01:40:08,800
we have the disc

2263
01:40:12,870 --> 01:40:10,880
they don't mention the location they

2264
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:12,880
don't mention brazil the name of the

2265
01:40:18,229 --> 01:40:15,520
rancher and the only one they mention is

2266
01:40:20,550 --> 01:40:18,239
major marcel and where is marcel at the

2267
01:40:23,590 --> 01:40:20,560
time the press release goes out he's

2268
01:40:26,870 --> 01:40:23,600
getting on a plane to fly to fort worth

2269
01:40:29,750 --> 01:40:26,880
for a press conference now the headline

2270
01:40:30,790 --> 01:40:29,760
as as we all know today the famous

2271
01:40:33,990 --> 01:40:30,800
headline

2272
01:40:37,189 --> 01:40:34,000
you know raaf captures flying saucer on

2273
01:40:39,030 --> 01:40:37,199
ranch in roswell region

2274
01:40:41,750 --> 01:40:39,040
and uh

2275
01:40:43,750 --> 01:40:41,760
as this goes out san francisco chronicle

2276
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:43,760
does the release

2277
01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:46,000
this goes out across the united states

2278
01:40:48,070 --> 01:40:47,199
quickly

2279
01:40:49,189 --> 01:40:48,080
and

2280
01:40:53,430 --> 01:40:49,199
when

2281
01:40:56,070 --> 01:40:53,440
uh every reporter in the country

2282
01:40:57,750 --> 01:40:56,080
uh gets wind of this their news director

2283
01:41:01,109 --> 01:40:57,760
is like you're on your way to roswell

2284
01:41:02,229 --> 01:41:01,119
what you're on your way to roswell now

2285
01:41:05,510 --> 01:41:02,239
so

2286
01:41:08,470 --> 01:41:05,520
that's exactly what happens but this is

2287
01:41:12,149 --> 01:41:08,480
the interesting turn of events

2288
01:41:14,870 --> 01:41:12,159
because we know that suddenly

2289
01:41:19,189 --> 01:41:14,880
the air force the army the pentagon

2290
01:41:21,750 --> 01:41:19,199
washington does a complete 180 and they

2291
01:41:23,830 --> 01:41:21,760
do a complete turn of events so marcel

2292
01:41:26,310 --> 01:41:23,840
is on his way to fort worth

2293
01:41:28,709 --> 01:41:26,320
and actually he was on his way

2294
01:41:29,910 --> 01:41:28,719
originally to right field in dayton ohio

2295
01:41:33,590 --> 01:41:29,920
right field

2296
01:41:35,109 --> 01:41:33,600
such an important play here

2297
01:41:38,470 --> 01:41:35,119
but um

2298
01:41:40,870 --> 01:41:38,480
but as all of this is going on don

2299
01:41:43,830 --> 01:41:40,880
now they realize

2300
01:41:45,830 --> 01:41:43,840
there's got to be a cover-up and it now

2301
01:41:48,390 --> 01:41:45,840
in your estimation because let's get

2302
01:41:51,910 --> 01:41:48,400
we'll get to the next day in just a bit

2303
01:41:52,950 --> 01:41:51,920
but is this the beginning

2304
01:41:56,149 --> 01:41:52,960
of

2305
01:41:58,870 --> 01:41:56,159
what the pentagon learned on how to

2306
01:42:01,430 --> 01:41:58,880
cover up and how to deal with

2307
01:42:04,229 --> 01:42:01,440
et and and everything else moving

2308
01:42:06,550 --> 01:42:04,239
forward for the next 75 years

2309
01:42:07,990 --> 01:42:06,560
what they had going in their favor jimmy

2310
01:42:10,790 --> 01:42:08,000
is that

2311
01:42:12,950 --> 01:42:10,800
you we started out with the june 24th

2312
01:42:14,870 --> 01:42:12,960
kenneth arnold sighting

2313
01:42:17,030 --> 01:42:14,880
and then if any of your listeners any of

2314
01:42:20,229 --> 01:42:17,040
your viewers were to go to the any

2315
01:42:21,910 --> 01:42:20,239
public library and pull out that week

2316
01:42:23,750 --> 01:42:21,920
leading up to roswell you would have

2317
01:42:25,669 --> 01:42:23,760
thought we were being invaded banner a

2318
01:42:27,030 --> 01:42:25,679
headline after a headline

2319
01:42:29,030 --> 01:42:27,040
as far as

2320
01:42:31,669 --> 01:42:29,040
that these flying discs and even the

2321
01:42:34,629 --> 01:42:31,679
very the very term flying saucer was

2322
01:42:36,390 --> 01:42:34,639
even coined at that very time right and

2323
01:42:39,350 --> 01:42:36,400
so

2324
01:42:42,390 --> 01:42:39,360
they were being pressed for answers and

2325
01:42:45,750 --> 01:42:42,400
the military couldn't provide answers

2326
01:42:47,270 --> 01:42:45,760
and their newspapers were taking polls

2327
01:42:50,070 --> 01:42:47,280
at the time

2328
01:42:51,910 --> 01:42:50,080
and one would think that well the vast

2329
01:42:53,669 --> 01:42:51,920
majority of americans probably believed

2330
01:42:56,310 --> 01:42:53,679
that we were dealing with something

2331
01:42:58,550 --> 01:42:56,320
interplanetary something from mars venus

2332
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:58,560
off the planet and it was no it was only

2333
01:43:03,109 --> 01:43:00,480
about two percent

2334
01:43:06,229 --> 01:43:03,119
most people believe that this had to be

2335
01:43:09,510 --> 01:43:06,239
a continuation on the atomic bomb theme

2336
01:43:11,030 --> 01:43:09,520
new mexico this was something else that

2337
01:43:13,109 --> 01:43:11,040
we were you know

2338
01:43:15,910 --> 01:43:13,119
eventually going to challenge the soviet

2339
01:43:17,590 --> 01:43:15,920
union with we had this you know you know

2340
01:43:18,550 --> 01:43:17,600
something new to our arsenal at that

2341
01:43:19,990 --> 01:43:18,560
time

2342
01:43:23,030 --> 01:43:20,000
and so

2343
01:43:25,189 --> 01:43:23,040
they took a gamble

2344
01:43:27,430 --> 01:43:25,199
by putting out the press release

2345
01:43:30,229 --> 01:43:27,440
but then as you just described

2346
01:43:31,669 --> 01:43:30,239
marcel is on his way to right field they

2347
01:43:34,229 --> 01:43:31,679
change course

2348
01:43:36,950 --> 01:43:34,239
they land at fort worth

2349
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:36,960
marcel is ordered to report to general

2350
01:43:42,550 --> 01:43:40,800
raymie he takes a box a wreckage places

2351
01:43:45,189 --> 01:43:42,560
it on his desk

2352
01:43:46,470 --> 01:43:45,199
raymie takes him to a map room

2353
01:43:50,070 --> 01:43:46,480
they return

2354
01:43:53,910 --> 01:43:50,080
and the box is gone and in its place

2355
01:43:55,990 --> 01:43:53,920
is a shredded weather balloon kite with

2356
01:43:57,109 --> 01:43:56,000
a clump of rotting neoprene rubber

2357
01:44:00,229 --> 01:43:57,119
balloon

2358
01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:00,239
so it's rubber reflective foil wooden

2359
01:44:06,070 --> 01:44:03,360
sticks string and tape

2360
01:44:07,590 --> 01:44:06,080
and there's a hallway full of reporters

2361
01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:07,600
waiting to see

2362
01:44:14,470 --> 01:44:09,360
the flying saucer

2363
01:44:17,030 --> 01:44:14,480
and raymie only allows one lone reporter

2364
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:17,040
by the name of james bond johnson of the

2365
01:44:22,870 --> 01:44:20,400
fort worth star telegram to enter

2366
01:44:25,430 --> 01:44:22,880
marcel was then ordered by raymie we've

2367
01:44:28,310 --> 01:44:25,440
all seen the famous pictures of marcel

2368
01:44:30,870 --> 01:44:28,320
posing crouched down holding up a sheet

2369
01:44:33,350 --> 01:44:30,880
of the flimsy foil

2370
01:44:36,149 --> 01:44:33,360
marcel's not happy in that photograph by

2371
01:44:39,109 --> 01:44:36,159
the way no in fact he even has there's

2372
01:44:42,070 --> 01:44:39,119
still dust on his shoes

2373
01:44:44,070 --> 01:44:42,080
from the actual debris field

2374
01:44:47,430 --> 01:44:44,080
he's not happy he's not happy

2375
01:44:48,550 --> 01:44:47,440
so now in the interest of time

2376
01:44:49,750 --> 01:44:48,560
because

2377
01:44:51,270 --> 01:44:49,760
now

2378
01:44:53,430 --> 01:44:51,280
all if if

2379
01:44:55,109 --> 01:44:53,440
this isn't crazy enough

2380
01:44:57,189 --> 01:44:55,119
all the crazy

2381
01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:57,199
starts to happen here so let's let's get

2382
01:45:01,590 --> 01:44:58,560
to the crazy

2383
01:45:03,669 --> 01:45:01,600
um we'll circle back to right field uh

2384
01:45:05,750 --> 01:45:03,679
and we'll we'll get back to the fbi

2385
01:45:07,590 --> 01:45:05,760
we'll talk about raymie

2386
01:45:09,830 --> 01:45:07,600
him chomping on that cigar and

2387
01:45:10,870 --> 01:45:09,840
everything else that was going on

2388
01:45:12,870 --> 01:45:10,880
but

2389
01:45:15,350 --> 01:45:12,880
now they've got to go out

2390
01:45:16,629 --> 01:45:15,360
and recover all of

2391
01:45:19,270 --> 01:45:16,639
the debris

2392
01:45:20,950 --> 01:45:19,280
right three crash sites

2393
01:45:24,310 --> 01:45:20,960
and the bodies

2394
01:45:27,750 --> 01:45:24,320
a live alien this all gets back to

2395
01:45:30,790 --> 01:45:27,760
roswell we have a mortuary we have

2396
01:45:33,350 --> 01:45:30,800
caskets being built we've got uh

2397
01:45:37,030 --> 01:45:33,360
autopsies being conducted

2398
01:45:38,870 --> 01:45:37,040
and everything is happening

2399
01:45:41,590 --> 01:45:38,880
in real time

2400
01:45:45,910 --> 01:45:41,600
so now let's let's back up let's go back

2401
01:45:47,030 --> 01:45:45,920
to roswell and the collection because

2402
01:45:49,430 --> 01:45:47,040
now we have

2403
01:45:52,149 --> 01:45:49,440
hundreds of military personnel now on

2404
01:45:52,950 --> 01:45:52,159
site uh we've got trucks

2405
01:46:00,790 --> 01:45:52,960
and

2406
01:46:03,030 --> 01:46:00,800
get back to roswell army airfield

2407
01:46:06,070 --> 01:46:03,040
we have tracked down for example the

2408
01:46:09,510 --> 01:46:06,080
debris field alone the moment that

2409
01:46:11,990 --> 01:46:09,520
marcel and cabot reported back

2410
01:46:13,669 --> 01:46:12,000
that early morning of july 8th that

2411
01:46:15,510 --> 01:46:13,679
tuesday morning they were already

2412
01:46:17,669 --> 01:46:15,520
dispatching troops

2413
01:46:19,830 --> 01:46:17,679
to start the cleanup

2414
01:46:22,550 --> 01:46:19,840
they're already the day before there

2415
01:46:24,830 --> 01:46:22,560
were troops that were sent out to the

2416
01:46:27,910 --> 01:46:24,840
impact site with the recovery of the

2417
01:46:30,870 --> 01:46:27,920
craft and the remains including the

2418
01:46:33,669 --> 01:46:30,880
survivor we even tracked down paper boys

2419
01:46:35,910 --> 01:46:33,679
who were on main street opposite sides

2420
01:46:38,149 --> 01:46:35,920
working for the two separate newspapers

2421
01:46:40,790 --> 01:46:38,159
you had the roswell daily record and the

2422
01:46:43,030 --> 01:46:40,800
roswell daily dispatch

2423
01:46:45,910 --> 01:46:43,040
and they both confirmed how they saw the

2424
01:46:47,990 --> 01:46:45,920
convoy coming down main street with the

2425
01:46:51,990 --> 01:46:48,000
the lowboy with the flatbed with the

2426
01:46:53,750 --> 01:46:52,000
tarp craft the object underneath

2427
01:46:56,070 --> 01:46:53,760
not knowing what was going on but that

2428
01:46:59,189 --> 01:46:56,080
it was under heavy guard and then both

2429
01:47:01,750 --> 01:46:59,199
of them surmising that oh my god that is

2430
01:47:04,629 --> 01:47:01,760
what was recovered north of town you

2431
01:47:06,790 --> 01:47:04,639
have 50 to 60 troops at the debris field

2432
01:47:08,550 --> 01:47:06,800
who would spend the next three full days

2433
01:47:10,870 --> 01:47:08,560
gathering up every last shard of

2434
01:47:14,550 --> 01:47:10,880
material we have

2435
01:47:17,030 --> 01:47:14,560
as far as mps that came in from off of

2436
01:47:19,109 --> 01:47:17,040
roswell came outside of roswell like

2437
01:47:21,590 --> 01:47:19,119
right field and fitz

2438
01:47:22,950 --> 01:47:21,600
simmons in colorado

2439
01:47:25,510 --> 01:47:22,960
we have

2440
01:47:28,550 --> 01:47:25,520
doctors and nurses that arrive from

2441
01:47:30,950 --> 01:47:28,560
outside of roswell we have photographers

2442
01:47:32,070 --> 01:47:30,960
like frederick benthal who was a

2443
01:47:35,189 --> 01:47:32,080
professional photographer of the

2444
01:47:36,470 --> 01:47:35,199
military and is taken out to

2445
01:47:38,550 --> 01:47:36,480
we believe

2446
01:47:40,950 --> 01:47:38,560
the debris field

2447
01:47:43,590 --> 01:47:40,960
where they had a tent erected and he was

2448
01:47:44,950 --> 01:47:43,600
told to take the pictures as they pulled

2449
01:47:46,790 --> 01:47:44,960
back the tarp

2450
01:47:48,709 --> 01:47:46,800
and there were two of the bodies

2451
01:47:50,550 --> 01:47:48,719
underneath

2452
01:47:53,109 --> 01:47:50,560
so you would have as you described as

2453
01:47:55,830 --> 01:47:53,119
you you suggested jimmy that you have

2454
01:47:57,109 --> 01:47:55,840
all this activity that is now

2455
01:48:03,590 --> 01:47:57,119
happening

2456
01:48:06,390 --> 01:48:03,600
up effort to contain to recover every

2457
01:48:08,470 --> 01:48:06,400
last piece of evidence with the hope

2458
01:48:10,070 --> 01:48:08,480
that the balloon press conference in

2459
01:48:11,350 --> 01:48:10,080
fort worth

2460
01:48:13,669 --> 01:48:11,360
accepted

2461
01:48:16,149 --> 01:48:13,679
that it would shut this down

2462
01:48:18,550 --> 01:48:16,159
and that the then the cleanup effort

2463
01:48:20,470 --> 01:48:18,560
would also contain it they would get

2464
01:48:22,310 --> 01:48:20,480
everything shipped out of roswell and

2465
01:48:25,350 --> 01:48:22,320
the dust would clear and it would be

2466
01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:25,360
mission accomplished we got away with it

2467
01:48:31,189 --> 01:48:28,560
now everything had yeah and with the

2468
01:48:33,590 --> 01:48:31,199
crash sites uh the three the three

2469
01:48:37,430 --> 01:48:33,600
locations all being north of town

2470
01:48:39,430 --> 01:48:37,440
all of the army vehicles and personnel

2471
01:48:43,430 --> 01:48:39,440
would have to travel to i forget the

2472
01:48:46,310 --> 01:48:43,440
freeway what number is that 25 285 285

2473
01:48:47,830 --> 01:48:46,320
which turns into main street right once

2474
01:48:51,189 --> 01:48:47,840
you're in roswell

2475
01:48:53,430 --> 01:48:51,199
right and drive through town to get to

2476
01:48:55,669 --> 01:48:53,440
uh roswell army airfield do i have that

2477
01:48:57,830 --> 01:48:55,679
correct yes and then we even have

2478
01:49:01,270 --> 01:48:57,840
witnesses who describe for example that

2479
01:49:04,629 --> 01:49:01,280
when they came to main and second

2480
01:49:08,790 --> 01:49:04,639
that at that time the street lights the

2481
01:49:11,590 --> 01:49:08,800
the the stop lights were not on posts

2482
01:49:14,470 --> 01:49:11,600
they were cable suspended

2483
01:49:17,669 --> 01:49:14,480
and that the truck couldn't clear

2484
01:49:19,350 --> 01:49:17,679
the cables so we have descriptions from

2485
01:49:21,270 --> 01:49:19,360
witnesses who's

2486
01:49:24,629 --> 01:49:21,280
mentioned how the men jumped out of

2487
01:49:27,669 --> 01:49:24,639
their jeeps and with poles they lifted

2488
01:49:30,070 --> 01:49:27,679
up the cables so the truck could clear

2489
01:49:32,709 --> 01:49:30,080
as they then turned going east on 2nd

2490
01:49:34,950 --> 01:49:32,719
street because they then proceeded to

2491
01:49:36,390 --> 01:49:34,960
the east gate they didn't come through

2492
01:49:38,870 --> 01:49:36,400
the main gate

2493
01:49:40,950 --> 01:49:38,880
and coming through the east gate they

2494
01:49:45,270 --> 01:49:40,960
crossed the tarmac and there

2495
01:49:47,669 --> 01:49:45,280
conveniently is hangar p3 building 84

2496
01:49:51,030 --> 01:49:47,679
which was the b-29 hangar and it's

2497
01:49:53,189 --> 01:49:51,040
described that all the wreckage and all

2498
01:49:55,430 --> 01:49:53,199
the bodies were stored and transited

2499
01:49:58,310 --> 01:49:55,440
through before they were shipped out so

2500
01:50:00,550 --> 01:49:58,320
they avoided the base proper as much as

2501
01:50:03,030 --> 01:50:00,560
possible and that too they kept the

2502
01:50:05,510 --> 01:50:03,040
personnel and roswell base

2503
01:50:08,310 --> 01:50:05,520
out of the picture as much as they could

2504
01:50:11,189 --> 01:50:08,320
an already secret base is now even got a

2505
01:50:14,229 --> 01:50:11,199
more secret location on the base

2506
01:50:18,229 --> 01:50:14,239
correct now okay so everything

2507
01:50:19,830 --> 01:50:18,239
how long uh did this process take uh how

2508
01:50:22,390 --> 01:50:19,840
many days

2509
01:50:25,350 --> 01:50:22,400
things were shipping out already by late

2510
01:50:27,270 --> 01:50:25,360
evening on july 7th even before the

2511
01:50:29,910 --> 01:50:27,280
press release came

2512
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:29,920
went out and then through the day there

2513
01:50:36,830 --> 01:50:33,360
were truckloads there was a a a member

2514
01:50:40,629 --> 01:50:36,840
of t squadron by the name of frank

2515
01:50:43,030 --> 01:50:40,639
martinez before he died he described how

2516
01:50:45,430 --> 01:50:43,040
he drove one of the trucks

2517
01:50:47,830 --> 01:50:45,440
out to the debris field he would go

2518
01:50:49,990 --> 01:50:47,840
through checkpoints and he would finally

2519
01:50:52,390 --> 01:50:50,000
get to a final checkpoint where he would

2520
01:50:54,229 --> 01:50:52,400
be told to get out

2521
01:50:57,589 --> 01:50:54,239
and then another

2522
01:50:59,030 --> 01:50:57,599
driver would get in and then continue on

2523
01:51:01,109 --> 01:50:59,040
to some un

2524
01:51:03,109 --> 01:51:01,119
disclosed location

2525
01:51:04,470 --> 01:51:03,119
but then he would come back with a

2526
01:51:06,550 --> 01:51:04,480
loaded truck

2527
01:51:08,950 --> 01:51:06,560
martinez would then get back into the

2528
01:51:11,510 --> 01:51:08,960
cab and then his orders were to drive it

2529
01:51:13,750 --> 01:51:11,520
back down to roswell right so then

2530
01:51:15,589 --> 01:51:13,760
returning back with another empty truck

2531
01:51:18,310 --> 01:51:15,599
and then this process according to

2532
01:51:20,790 --> 01:51:18,320
martinez went on in his case for three

2533
01:51:22,790 --> 01:51:20,800
full days three full days

2534
01:51:25,350 --> 01:51:22,800
driving wreckage back to the base now

2535
01:51:27,589 --> 01:51:25,360
how many bodies were recovered we know

2536
01:51:28,629 --> 01:51:27,599
we had one live

2537
01:51:31,350 --> 01:51:28,639
uh

2538
01:51:34,470 --> 01:51:31,360
survivor one survivor how many bodies

2539
01:51:36,790 --> 01:51:34,480
and then you had two at the uh two and a

2540
01:51:39,109 --> 01:51:36,800
half mile from the debris field right

2541
01:51:42,310 --> 01:51:39,119
that particular location and then you

2542
01:51:44,709 --> 01:51:42,320
had two additional bodies at the impact

2543
01:51:48,070 --> 01:51:44,719
site so a total of four bodies plus a

2544
01:51:51,669 --> 01:51:48,080
survivor so five five in total

2545
01:51:52,709 --> 01:51:51,679
five et's manning the craft okay

2546
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:52,719
um

2547
01:51:57,910 --> 01:51:55,679
the four bodies and this is this is one

2548
01:51:59,910 --> 01:51:57,920
of the most uh one of the more

2549
01:52:01,510 --> 01:51:59,920
interesting and compelling parts of

2550
01:52:03,990 --> 01:52:01,520
everything when it comes to roswell is

2551
01:52:06,149 --> 01:52:04,000
is the autopsy in the bodies and and

2552
01:52:10,229 --> 01:52:06,159
what was going on there so

2553
01:52:11,109 --> 01:52:10,239
uh the four bodies were taken to p3

2554
01:52:13,830 --> 01:52:11,119
first

2555
01:52:16,229 --> 01:52:13,840
correct and then so what happened

2556
01:52:19,189 --> 01:52:16,239
base hospital yeah okay so what happens

2557
01:52:21,109 --> 01:52:19,199
next at the base hospital oh by the way

2558
01:52:22,709 --> 01:52:21,119
can i jump ahead in the story please

2559
01:52:24,070 --> 01:52:22,719
please okay

2560
01:52:25,589 --> 01:52:24,080
the nurse

2561
01:52:28,310 --> 01:52:25,599
yes

2562
01:52:30,870 --> 01:52:28,320
who was she and has she

2563
01:52:33,350 --> 01:52:30,880
she who was the nurse

2564
01:52:37,510 --> 01:52:33,360
we believe we're pretty uh convinced the

2565
01:52:41,510 --> 01:52:39,990
was a nurse at the base hospital at that

2566
01:52:42,390 --> 01:52:41,520
time

2567
01:52:48,790 --> 01:52:42,400
and

2568
01:52:51,350 --> 01:52:48,800
within weeks after the incident

2569
01:52:52,870 --> 01:52:51,360
and she had considered going into the

2570
01:52:56,629 --> 01:52:52,880
sisterhood

2571
01:52:59,510 --> 01:52:56,639
prior to going into uh the nursing corps

2572
01:53:03,030 --> 01:52:59,520
with the army uh she looked like a young

2573
01:53:05,350 --> 01:53:03,040
audrey hepburn as described black hair

2574
01:53:06,550 --> 01:53:05,360
nice beautiful black eyes right right

2575
01:53:07,350 --> 01:53:06,560
and

2576
01:53:10,229 --> 01:53:07,360
she

2577
01:53:11,430 --> 01:53:10,239
was not killed in a plane crash

2578
01:53:13,109 --> 01:53:11,440
as uh

2579
01:53:15,109 --> 01:53:13,119
was told

2580
01:53:17,990 --> 01:53:15,119
with a number of other nurses but she

2581
01:53:19,510 --> 01:53:18,000
did die a few years later of a childhood

2582
01:53:22,470 --> 01:53:19,520
disease

2583
01:53:24,070 --> 01:53:22,480
so all of that was consistent and

2584
01:53:26,709 --> 01:53:24,080
specifically

2585
01:53:28,629 --> 01:53:26,719
with nurse fatten okay so nurse that and

2586
01:53:29,990 --> 01:53:28,639
she's she's a key part to what happens

2587
01:53:33,910 --> 01:53:30,000
next here

2588
01:53:36,149 --> 01:53:33,920
um and also uh because we're gonna tell

2589
01:53:37,990 --> 01:53:36,159
all of this who was the red-haired

2590
01:53:39,189 --> 01:53:38,000
sergeant

2591
01:53:42,070 --> 01:53:39,199
well

2592
01:53:43,990 --> 01:53:42,080
the air force when they came out with

2593
01:53:46,629 --> 01:53:44,000
first their project vocal report in

2594
01:53:48,310 --> 01:53:46,639
september of 1994 and then their

2595
01:53:52,550 --> 01:53:48,320
anthropomorphic wooden crash dummy

2596
01:53:55,030 --> 01:53:52,560
report in may of 1997 they tried to

2597
01:53:57,109 --> 01:53:55,040
label the red-haired uh captain and then

2598
01:53:59,669 --> 01:53:57,119
it was a black sergeant right they came

2599
01:54:02,629 --> 01:53:59,679
up with a number of possibilities but to

2600
01:54:04,550 --> 01:54:02,639
be honest with you jimmy we never felt

2601
01:54:11,830 --> 01:54:04,560
that there was

2602
01:54:13,750 --> 01:54:11,840
red-haired captain or red or black uh

2603
01:54:16,390 --> 01:54:13,760
sergeant right in the entire roswell

2604
01:54:19,030 --> 01:54:16,400
scenario who was uh allegedly barking

2605
01:54:21,189 --> 01:54:19,040
orders uh at the hospital and supposing

2606
01:54:23,589 --> 01:54:21,199
to mortician glenn dennis from the

2607
01:54:25,430 --> 01:54:23,599
ballard funeral home and and it's glenn

2608
01:54:27,750 --> 01:54:25,440
dennis's uh

2609
01:54:28,950 --> 01:54:27,760
accounts of what was going on at the

2610
01:54:29,830 --> 01:54:28,960
hospital

2611
01:54:34,950 --> 01:54:29,840
uh

2612
01:54:37,910 --> 01:54:34,960
there's reasons for that he's got to

2613
01:54:38,950 --> 01:54:37,920
show up with caskets right

2614
01:54:41,430 --> 01:54:38,960
tiny

2615
01:54:43,430 --> 01:54:41,440
caskets uh by the way well-sized caskets

2616
01:54:45,189 --> 01:54:43,440
yes which you don't actually have a lot

2617
01:54:47,990 --> 01:54:45,199
of those in stock

2618
01:54:48,870 --> 01:54:48,000
in uh in a small town like roswell okay

2619
01:54:51,030 --> 01:54:48,880
so

2620
01:54:53,270 --> 01:54:51,040
uh take us to

2621
01:54:55,350 --> 01:54:53,280
that day at the hospital the bodies

2622
01:54:58,470 --> 01:54:55,360
arrive what happens

2623
01:55:02,149 --> 01:54:58,480
one of the witnesses to the bodies was

2624
01:55:04,790 --> 01:55:02,159
miriam bush she was the

2625
01:55:07,030 --> 01:55:04,800
assistant secretary to the

2626
01:55:09,589 --> 01:55:07,040
uh administrator

2627
01:55:10,550 --> 01:55:09,599
at the hospital at that time

2628
01:55:11,830 --> 01:55:10,560
and

2629
01:55:14,149 --> 01:55:11,840
we had

2630
01:55:17,030 --> 01:55:14,159
other like rosemary mcmanus who was

2631
01:55:19,109 --> 01:55:17,040
another nurse at the hospital told us

2632
01:55:22,390 --> 01:55:19,119
that they were all essentially told

2633
01:55:25,430 --> 01:55:22,400
to report back to their living quarters

2634
01:55:28,149 --> 01:55:25,440
that they were not to come to the

2635
01:55:30,070 --> 01:55:28,159
hospital for their normal duties that

2636
01:55:33,669 --> 01:55:30,080
particular day

2637
01:55:35,750 --> 01:55:33,679
well bush was one of them who as the

2638
01:55:37,430 --> 01:55:35,760
assistant to the administrator she

2639
01:55:40,629 --> 01:55:37,440
remained

2640
01:55:42,629 --> 01:55:40,639
and she described how he took her into

2641
01:55:46,149 --> 01:55:42,639
the examination room

2642
01:55:47,589 --> 01:55:46,159
and her first reaction was my god these

2643
01:55:49,830 --> 01:55:47,599
are children

2644
01:55:51,910 --> 01:55:49,840
based on the silhouettes on the gurneys

2645
01:55:53,350 --> 01:55:51,920
under the sheets that they look that

2646
01:55:55,750 --> 01:55:53,360
small

2647
01:55:59,189 --> 01:55:55,760
and then she

2648
01:56:00,950 --> 01:55:59,199
saw she observed that one of them moved

2649
01:56:04,229 --> 01:56:00,960
and then she was appalled then she was

2650
01:56:05,910 --> 01:56:04,239
truly shocked when she saw that they

2651
01:56:08,709 --> 01:56:05,920
weren't human

2652
01:56:10,709 --> 01:56:08,719
she saw the the size of the heads

2653
01:56:11,669 --> 01:56:10,719
she saw the eyes

2654
01:56:14,790 --> 01:56:11,679
open

2655
01:56:17,030 --> 01:56:14,800
and that she was witnessing something

2656
01:56:19,910 --> 01:56:17,040
that all the rumors that they had been

2657
01:56:22,790 --> 01:56:19,920
hearing were true now what was the date

2658
01:56:25,189 --> 01:56:22,800
of uh the autopsies at the hospital when

2659
01:56:26,470 --> 01:56:25,199
the bodies arrived well okay no jimmy we

2660
01:56:29,990 --> 01:56:26,480
don't know

2661
01:56:33,109 --> 01:56:30,000
that there were actual autopsies at the

2662
01:56:36,149 --> 01:56:33,119
roswell base hospital because they did

2663
01:56:38,470 --> 01:56:36,159
not have a morgue at the hospital

2664
01:56:41,109 --> 01:56:38,480
and they did not from all accounts did

2665
01:56:44,229 --> 01:56:41,119
not have the equipment

2666
01:56:46,390 --> 01:56:44,239
the you the surgical utensils

2667
01:56:49,189 --> 01:56:46,400
and so there's some question

2668
01:56:51,990 --> 01:56:49,199
as to if something was done and we do

2669
01:56:53,589 --> 01:56:52,000
have two witnesses to this effect

2670
01:56:56,310 --> 01:56:53,599
okay

2671
01:56:58,950 --> 01:56:56,320
funeral home was on contract with the

2672
01:57:00,950 --> 01:56:58,960
base hospital and they did have autopsy

2673
01:57:02,470 --> 01:57:00,960
equipment that is correct

2674
01:57:05,030 --> 01:57:02,480
it's been suggested that one of the

2675
01:57:07,510 --> 01:57:05,040
bodies was taken to the basement of the

2676
01:57:10,550 --> 01:57:07,520
ballard funeral home now

2677
01:57:13,109 --> 01:57:10,560
autopsy what i want to uh establish here

2678
01:57:15,669 --> 01:57:13,119
is the timeline though right uh what was

2679
01:57:16,950 --> 01:57:15,679
the date of the bodies arriving at the

2680
01:57:19,189 --> 01:57:16,960
hospital

2681
01:57:21,830 --> 01:57:19,199
the as early as the seventh even before

2682
01:57:23,510 --> 01:57:21,840
the press release went out holy crap

2683
01:57:25,750 --> 01:57:23,520
yeah okay so

2684
01:57:27,830 --> 01:57:25,760
okay the discovery of the site north of

2685
01:57:29,589 --> 01:57:27,840
town already on

2686
01:57:32,470 --> 01:57:29,599
monday july 7.

2687
01:57:35,669 --> 01:57:32,480
so ballard uh or glenn dennis i should

2688
01:57:36,870 --> 01:57:35,679
say uh from the ballard home uh funeral

2689
01:57:38,470 --> 01:57:36,880
home

2690
01:57:42,870 --> 01:57:38,480
he

2691
01:57:44,950 --> 01:57:42,880
talks to nurse hatton right

2692
01:57:48,870 --> 01:57:44,960
well there is some

2693
01:57:52,229 --> 01:57:48,880
debate and we have some reservation as

2694
01:57:54,629 --> 01:57:52,239
to whether glenn is repeating what he

2695
01:57:58,470 --> 01:57:54,639
may have heard right or he is actually

2696
01:58:01,589 --> 01:57:58,480
recounting a personal observation

2697
01:58:04,950 --> 01:58:01,599
we have had additional corroboration

2698
01:58:07,189 --> 01:58:04,960
from witnesses that yes the phone calls

2699
01:58:09,830 --> 01:58:07,199
did come from the base hospital

2700
01:58:13,189 --> 01:58:09,840
inquiring as to the availability of

2701
01:58:15,030 --> 01:58:13,199
child-sized caskets right okay as many

2702
01:58:17,109 --> 01:58:15,040
as four right

2703
01:58:19,669 --> 01:58:17,119
we even spoke to

2704
01:58:22,550 --> 01:58:19,679
the son of the driver

2705
01:58:25,109 --> 01:58:22,560
contracted by ballard who made the long

2706
01:58:27,510 --> 01:58:25,119
drive up to amarillo texas

2707
01:58:31,030 --> 01:58:27,520
where they would have picked up

2708
01:58:35,990 --> 01:58:31,040
additional caskets and according to the

2709
01:58:37,830 --> 01:58:36,000
sun that ride that pickup did take place

2710
01:58:40,550 --> 01:58:37,840
the question is

2711
01:58:42,390 --> 01:58:40,560
whether glenn dennis

2712
01:58:43,589 --> 01:58:42,400
actually had

2713
01:58:49,109 --> 01:58:43,599
this

2714
01:58:51,669 --> 01:58:49,119
as to what she witnessed at the base

2715
01:58:53,910 --> 01:58:51,679
hospital as to an attempt at a

2716
01:58:56,229 --> 01:58:53,920
preliminary autopsy

2717
01:58:59,189 --> 01:58:56,239
so what um when when glenn dennis

2718
01:59:02,149 --> 01:58:59,199
arrives i've got uh 60 seconds don

2719
01:59:04,390 --> 01:59:02,159
uh when glenn dennis arrives at the

2720
01:59:06,070 --> 01:59:04,400
hospital what did he

2721
01:59:08,550 --> 01:59:06,080
report

2722
01:59:11,589 --> 01:59:08,560
what would he witness what was going on

2723
01:59:14,629 --> 01:59:11,599
what he reported and again it's open to

2724
01:59:16,310 --> 01:59:14,639
debate what he reported was that he saw

2725
01:59:18,070 --> 01:59:16,320
wreckage in the back of one of the

2726
01:59:21,270 --> 01:59:18,080
ambulance trucks

2727
01:59:22,390 --> 01:59:21,280
behind the loading dock area of the

2728
01:59:24,629 --> 01:59:22,400
hospital

2729
01:59:26,390 --> 01:59:24,639
and then he would claim that he went

2730
01:59:28,950 --> 01:59:26,400
inside

2731
01:59:31,510 --> 01:59:28,960
and he was immediately

2732
01:59:32,629 --> 01:59:31,520
uh as far as uh

2733
01:59:35,109 --> 01:59:32,639
rush to

2734
01:59:37,430 --> 01:59:35,119
by this nurse friend

2735
01:59:39,270 --> 01:59:37,440
who told him that he better leave

2736
01:59:41,910 --> 01:59:39,280
immediately that

2737
01:59:43,750 --> 01:59:41,920
that it wasn't safe for him to be there

2738
01:59:46,790 --> 01:59:43,760
and then glenn would claim that he was

2739
01:59:49,270 --> 01:59:46,800
accustomed by this red-haired captain

2740
01:59:50,950 --> 01:59:49,280
and a black sergeant who threatened him

2741
01:59:53,109 --> 01:59:50,960
that he'd they'd be picking his bones

2742
01:59:54,229 --> 01:59:53,119
out of the sand if he didn't leave right

2743
01:59:56,070 --> 01:59:54,239
there and then

2744
01:59:57,589 --> 01:59:56,080
let's take our break right here this is

2745
02:00:01,189 --> 01:59:57,599
fade to black i'm yours your signatures

2746
02:00:04,149 --> 02:00:01,199
tonight don schmidt is with us it is the

2747
02:00:06,310 --> 02:00:04,159
75th anniversary of roswell this year

2748
02:00:08,950 --> 02:00:06,320
tonight it's roswell revisited when we

2749
02:00:11,109 --> 02:00:08,960
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2750
02:00:14,149 --> 02:00:11,119
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2751
02:00:15,669 --> 02:00:14,159
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2752
02:00:17,990 --> 02:00:15,679
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2753
02:00:19,350 --> 02:00:18,000
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2754
02:00:25,310 --> 02:00:19,360
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2854
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i was uh over in the chat room during

2855
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the break

2856
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and uh

2857
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so so don somebody over there i i don't

2858
02:05:37,430 --> 02:05:34,639
know the full story i don't know the

2859
02:05:40,149 --> 02:05:37,440
full extent of it but i guess somebody

2860
02:05:43,030 --> 02:05:40,159
over there is saying that

2861
02:05:44,550 --> 02:05:43,040
i i gave them a ride

2862
02:05:47,189 --> 02:05:44,560
in my car

2863
02:05:48,709 --> 02:05:47,199
and he had a bird with him

2864
02:05:52,310 --> 02:05:48,719
many years ago

2865
02:05:57,109 --> 02:05:55,109
i haven't given i haven't given a

2866
02:05:59,510 --> 02:05:57,119
stranger

2867
02:06:00,550 --> 02:05:59,520
a ride in my car

2868
02:06:02,950 --> 02:06:00,560
um

2869
02:06:09,589 --> 02:06:02,960
ever

2870
02:06:12,390 --> 02:06:09,599
um uh we're going to get back to this uh

2871
02:06:16,069 --> 02:06:12,400
um but it reminds me let me tell you do

2872
02:06:17,589 --> 02:06:16,079
you remember carlos castaneda yes okay

2873
02:06:19,510 --> 02:06:17,599
i'm sure you read all of his books

2874
02:06:21,589 --> 02:06:19,520
because you were you were into that

2875
02:06:24,790 --> 02:06:21,599
thing back then but anyway

2876
02:06:27,109 --> 02:06:24,800
so uh in in one of carlos castaneda's

2877
02:06:28,149 --> 02:06:27,119
first book or a second book

2878
02:06:30,790 --> 02:06:28,159
he

2879
02:06:33,030 --> 02:06:30,800
uh and i just man i just pounded his

2880
02:06:37,350 --> 02:06:33,040
books man they were just it was so great

2881
02:06:38,390 --> 02:06:37,360
um so anyway he says in this

2882
02:06:39,589 --> 02:06:38,400
book

2883
02:06:42,149 --> 02:06:39,599
he says

2884
02:06:44,870 --> 02:06:42,159
never pick up a hitchhiker

2885
02:06:47,669 --> 02:06:44,880
because you're picking up death

2886
02:06:49,990 --> 02:06:47,679
yes right so he you know any any and he

2887
02:06:52,310 --> 02:06:50,000
tells a story in the book about how he

2888
02:06:55,189 --> 02:06:52,320
he picks up somebody

2889
02:06:56,870 --> 02:06:55,199
and and drops him off and then he's he's

2890
02:06:59,910 --> 02:06:56,880
driving down the road it's like a half

2891
02:07:00,870 --> 02:06:59,920
hour later and there's the dude again

2892
02:07:08,310 --> 02:07:00,880
and

2893
02:07:11,109 --> 02:07:08,320
half hour 100 miles later there's the

2894
02:07:13,830 --> 02:07:11,119
dude again you know hitchhiking and

2895
02:07:17,189 --> 02:07:13,840
there's this ominous thing never pick up

2896
02:07:20,069 --> 02:07:17,199
a hitchhiker well you know what

2897
02:07:22,950 --> 02:07:20,079
i listened to carlos castaneda

2898
02:07:25,350 --> 02:07:22,960
yes i never put a stranger in my car no

2899
02:07:27,669 --> 02:07:25,360
i don't watch for you because

2900
02:07:29,189 --> 02:07:27,679
even that classic rod sterling twilight

2901
02:07:32,709 --> 02:07:29,199
zone episode

2902
02:07:35,510 --> 02:07:32,719
where uh i think as as young boys that

2903
02:07:37,830 --> 02:07:35,520
scared all of us off of ever picking up

2904
02:07:40,709 --> 02:07:37,840
a stranger ever

2905
02:07:41,750 --> 02:07:40,719
ever ever i've never had a stranger in

2906
02:07:44,950 --> 02:07:41,760
my car

2907
02:07:49,189 --> 02:07:44,960
i ca i can i can i can say

2908
02:07:52,550 --> 02:07:49,199
with 100 certainty that has never

2909
02:07:57,030 --> 02:07:52,560
happened uh okay so anyway so back to

2910
02:08:01,030 --> 02:07:57,040
uh the the events because

2911
02:08:03,430 --> 02:08:01,040
uh all of this is going on uh the bodies

2912
02:08:06,629 --> 02:08:03,440
are are at the hospital

2913
02:08:09,430 --> 02:08:06,639
and uh we've got a survivor

2914
02:08:12,709 --> 02:08:09,440
what happened to the survivor

2915
02:08:15,830 --> 02:08:12,719
from all accounts

2916
02:08:18,310 --> 02:08:15,840
the body as well as the bodies as well

2917
02:08:20,709 --> 02:08:18,320
as the wreckage and the survivor

2918
02:08:22,390 --> 02:08:20,719
all were destined for right field in

2919
02:08:24,950 --> 02:08:22,400
dayton ohio

2920
02:08:27,589 --> 02:08:24,960
now before anybody jumps the

2921
02:08:30,790 --> 02:08:27,599
boat and thinks well what about area 51

2922
02:08:35,589 --> 02:08:30,800
there was no area 51. that didn't happen

2923
02:08:38,310 --> 02:08:35,599
until 1955. 55 that's correct six years

2924
02:08:40,550 --> 02:08:38,320
now there are also

2925
02:08:43,910 --> 02:08:40,560
you gotta love uh

2926
02:08:45,990 --> 02:08:43,920
uh mythology right an urban myth uh

2927
02:08:46,870 --> 02:08:46,000
around the roswell case

2928
02:08:48,870 --> 02:08:46,880
um

2929
02:08:53,430 --> 02:08:48,880
there were accounts

2930
02:08:56,310 --> 02:08:53,440
that uh ebe one right the survivor

2931
02:08:58,709 --> 02:08:56,320
went to los alamos

2932
02:09:00,470 --> 02:08:58,719
did not you're saying that everything

2933
02:09:03,189 --> 02:09:00,480
went to right field

2934
02:09:05,109 --> 02:09:03,199
initially initially

2935
02:09:07,270 --> 02:09:05,119
keeping in mind that the government

2936
02:09:09,270 --> 02:09:07,280
slash military doesn't manufacture

2937
02:09:11,990 --> 02:09:09,280
anything so everything would have been

2938
02:09:14,390 --> 02:09:12,000
assimilated into the private sector for

2939
02:09:15,910 --> 02:09:14,400
testing and analysis at a certain point

2940
02:09:17,990 --> 02:09:15,920
sure it's one of the reasons that we've

2941
02:09:21,990 --> 02:09:18,000
had first 10 witnesses at boeing at

2942
02:09:24,790 --> 02:09:22,000
lockheed at los alamos at hughes and ran

2943
02:09:27,109 --> 02:09:24,800
at patel at bureau all talking about

2944
02:09:29,750 --> 02:09:27,119
testing the wreckage

2945
02:09:31,510 --> 02:09:29,760
bodies and a survivor

2946
02:09:32,390 --> 02:09:31,520
are something else

2947
02:09:36,470 --> 02:09:32,400
and

2948
02:09:37,750 --> 02:09:36,480
the the one specific witness

2949
02:09:39,669 --> 02:09:37,760
would be

2950
02:09:41,910 --> 02:09:39,679
lieutenant colonel marion magruder he

2951
02:09:44,830 --> 02:09:41,920
was a triple ace world war ii he was

2952
02:09:47,990 --> 02:09:44,840
part of the war college class of 47

2953
02:09:50,069 --> 02:09:48,000
48. we have the documents that

2954
02:09:53,189 --> 02:09:50,079
demonstrate that he was on a special

2955
02:09:55,589 --> 02:09:53,199
assignment at ben wright patterson

2956
02:09:57,510 --> 02:09:55,599
this would have been the april of 48

2957
02:10:00,470 --> 02:09:57,520
just after that january when they

2958
02:10:02,790 --> 02:10:00,480
switched over and they split off

2959
02:10:05,109 --> 02:10:02,800
and they where it was a they were two

2960
02:10:08,149 --> 02:10:05,119
separate fields you had right field and

2961
02:10:10,950 --> 02:10:08,159
patterson field two adjoining airfields

2962
02:10:15,030 --> 02:10:10,960
they became one air force right

2963
02:10:17,430 --> 02:10:15,040
patterson and in april of 48.

2964
02:10:19,669 --> 02:10:17,440
magruder with the class

2965
02:10:23,189 --> 02:10:19,679
the war college class they were shown

2966
02:10:24,629 --> 02:10:23,199
wreckage from roswell as well as the

2967
02:10:26,709 --> 02:10:24,639
survivor

2968
02:10:29,910 --> 02:10:26,719
he confessed

2969
02:10:32,870 --> 02:10:29,920
as far as a deathbed confession in 1995

2970
02:10:36,629 --> 02:10:32,880
before he passed away to his sons

2971
02:10:37,589 --> 02:10:36,639
that they were shown the survivor

2972
02:10:40,709 --> 02:10:37,599
and

2973
02:10:42,870 --> 02:10:40,719
beyond that is is all rumored

2974
02:10:46,310 --> 02:10:42,880
in fact even magruder would say when

2975
02:10:49,510 --> 02:10:46,320
asked what became of the survivor

2976
02:10:50,550 --> 02:10:49,520
he said it was his information that it

2977
02:10:52,790 --> 02:10:50,560
died

2978
02:10:55,030 --> 02:10:52,800
shortly thereafter

2979
02:10:57,669 --> 02:10:55,040
after he saw the survivor after they

2980
02:11:00,470 --> 02:10:57,679
were shown in april of 48

2981
02:11:02,790 --> 02:11:00,480
correct was there ever uh to the best of

2982
02:11:04,790 --> 02:11:02,800
your knowledge was there ever any

2983
02:11:06,229 --> 02:11:04,800
communication

2984
02:11:09,109 --> 02:11:06,239
established

2985
02:11:13,030 --> 02:11:09,119
between the survivor and us

2986
02:11:14,950 --> 02:11:13,040
well even at the impact site

2987
02:11:16,790 --> 02:11:14,960
dan dwyer

2988
02:11:17,669 --> 02:11:16,800
the crew chief

2989
02:11:20,310 --> 02:11:17,679
of

2990
02:11:21,990 --> 02:11:20,320
the roswell fire department

2991
02:11:26,629 --> 02:11:22,000
said that he was getting mental

2992
02:11:28,870 --> 02:11:26,639
impressions from the survivor

2993
02:11:31,990 --> 02:11:28,880
and didn't know what to make of it

2994
02:11:33,990 --> 02:11:32,000
and then we've had

2995
02:11:35,669 --> 02:11:34,000
people who described that there were

2996
02:11:37,430 --> 02:11:35,679
linguists

2997
02:11:40,149 --> 02:11:37,440
who talked about

2998
02:11:41,589 --> 02:11:40,159
an attempt to communicate with the

2999
02:11:44,069 --> 02:11:41,599
survivor

3000
02:11:45,510 --> 02:11:44,079
shortly you know after it was brought to

3001
02:11:46,950 --> 02:11:45,520
right field

3002
02:11:49,910 --> 02:11:46,960
in an attempt

3003
02:11:51,109 --> 02:11:49,920
to obviously you know learn as much as

3004
02:11:53,430 --> 02:11:51,119
possible

3005
02:11:55,270 --> 02:11:53,440
because if it can verbally if it can't

3006
02:11:56,069 --> 02:11:55,280
audibly communicate

3007
02:11:57,910 --> 02:11:56,079
then

3008
02:12:00,069 --> 02:11:57,920
how can you

3009
02:12:02,790 --> 02:12:00,079
you know potentially

3010
02:12:05,430 --> 02:12:02,800
you know actually derive information

3011
02:12:06,629 --> 02:12:05,440
derive information from uh you know one

3012
02:12:07,990 --> 02:12:06,639
of the greatest discovery in the

3013
02:12:10,149 --> 02:12:08,000
millennium

3014
02:12:11,830 --> 02:12:10,159
and so i'm sure there were

3015
02:12:13,830 --> 02:12:11,840
all types of efforts

3016
02:12:15,830 --> 02:12:13,840
but when we love to see you know

3017
02:12:17,030 --> 02:12:15,840
records and files regarding those

3018
02:12:21,910 --> 02:12:17,040
attempts

3019
02:12:29,750 --> 02:12:25,669
we're talking about tremendous logistics

3020
02:12:31,589 --> 02:12:29,760
um lots of witnesses uh lots of military

3021
02:12:33,669 --> 02:12:31,599
personnel that

3022
02:12:35,430 --> 02:12:33,679
were active duty at the time that were

3023
02:12:37,669 --> 02:12:35,440
assigned to this

3024
02:12:39,589 --> 02:12:37,679
you have everything you have air flights

3025
02:12:41,510 --> 02:12:39,599
you have trucks you have a hospital

3026
02:12:43,270 --> 02:12:41,520
involved you have bodies you have a

3027
02:12:46,229 --> 02:12:43,280
survivor

3028
02:12:48,149 --> 02:12:46,239
all of this is going on over a period of

3029
02:12:50,550 --> 02:12:48,159
three to four days and everything

3030
02:12:54,229 --> 02:12:50,560
arrives at right field

3031
02:12:57,350 --> 02:12:54,239
during this time uh an about face

3032
02:12:59,669 --> 02:12:57,360
happened which is the army

3033
02:13:01,669 --> 02:12:59,679
then and the pentagon then do a press

3034
02:13:03,270 --> 02:13:01,679
release saying that ah nothing to see

3035
02:13:04,229 --> 02:13:03,280
here

3036
02:13:08,870 --> 02:13:04,239
now

3037
02:13:10,950 --> 02:13:08,880
point that i brought up earlier and the

3038
02:13:13,189 --> 02:13:10,960
point that i'm bringing up now

3039
02:13:15,990 --> 02:13:13,199
every reporter in the country is now

3040
02:13:18,229 --> 02:13:16,000
going to roswell for the biggest story

3041
02:13:20,629 --> 02:13:18,239
in the history of planet earth

3042
02:13:22,709 --> 02:13:20,639
they all have to turn their cars around

3043
02:13:25,990 --> 02:13:22,719
they all have to cancel their flights

3044
02:13:27,669 --> 02:13:26,000
because now it's been announced

3045
02:13:30,470 --> 02:13:27,679
it was a weather balloon

3046
02:13:32,390 --> 02:13:30,480
it wasn't a flying saucer and the

3047
02:13:34,069 --> 02:13:32,400
cover-up started

3048
02:13:36,069 --> 02:13:34,079
and there

3049
02:13:38,310 --> 02:13:36,079
there after that press release the

3050
02:13:39,109 --> 02:13:38,320
second one don

3051
02:13:40,550 --> 02:13:39,119
um

3052
02:13:41,669 --> 02:13:40,560
the story

3053
02:13:45,910 --> 02:13:41,679
literally

3054
02:13:48,149 --> 02:13:45,920
disappears correct i um i'm i'm gonna be

3055
02:13:52,149 --> 02:13:48,159
in roswell i'm going to be speaking

3056
02:13:53,830 --> 02:13:52,159
about roswell um in uh uh july first

3057
02:13:56,069 --> 02:13:53,840
through the third and when

3058
02:13:57,350 --> 02:13:56,079
one of the points that i'm i'm going to

3059
02:13:58,870 --> 02:13:57,360
bring up

3060
02:14:03,430 --> 02:13:58,880
then

3061
02:14:06,629 --> 02:14:03,440
is probably the most important in that

3062
02:14:07,830 --> 02:14:06,639
before art bell there was long john

3063
02:14:12,950 --> 02:14:07,840
neville

3064
02:14:14,870 --> 02:14:12,960
radio show which was without question

3065
02:14:18,870 --> 02:14:14,880
one of the biggest radio shows in the

3066
02:14:22,470 --> 02:14:18,880
history of uh broadcasting huge

3067
02:14:25,910 --> 02:14:22,480
huge out of wor in new york where he

3068
02:14:28,310 --> 02:14:25,920
would have 10 20 30 million people

3069
02:14:29,270 --> 02:14:28,320
listening to that broadcast six nights a

3070
02:14:31,030 --> 02:14:29,280
week

3071
02:14:32,470 --> 02:14:31,040
and uh

3072
02:14:35,189 --> 02:14:32,480
he covered

3073
02:14:36,950 --> 02:14:35,199
all of this and kenneth arnold was on

3074
02:14:40,069 --> 02:14:36,960
his show many times

3075
02:14:42,629 --> 02:14:40,079
and uh donald kehoe on the show but i

3076
02:14:43,589 --> 02:14:42,639
mean just repeat guests over and over

3077
02:14:46,550 --> 02:14:43,599
again

3078
02:14:48,149 --> 02:14:46,560
uh shavers and and he had arthur c

3079
02:14:50,470 --> 02:14:48,159
clarke on the show

3080
02:14:52,470 --> 02:14:50,480
and and the show was called the party

3081
02:14:54,470 --> 02:14:52,480
line and this is the point that i want

3082
02:14:55,830 --> 02:14:54,480
to bring up

3083
02:15:03,430 --> 02:14:55,840
they covered

3084
02:15:05,990 --> 02:15:03,440
case every encounter every abduction

3085
02:15:07,350 --> 02:15:06,000
case every contact case everything the

3086
02:15:09,750 --> 02:15:07,360
desert

3087
02:15:11,669 --> 02:15:09,760
everything that you can think about

3088
02:15:13,910 --> 02:15:11,679
was covered on that show

3089
02:15:17,350 --> 02:15:13,920
for decades

3090
02:15:19,510 --> 02:15:17,360
the one thing that they never covered

3091
02:15:22,310 --> 02:15:19,520
on long john nebel's show

3092
02:15:24,950 --> 02:15:22,320
night after night after night was

3093
02:15:27,430 --> 02:15:24,960
roswell precisely precisely kenneth

3094
02:15:30,149 --> 02:15:27,440
arnold never brought up roswell donald

3095
02:15:34,310 --> 02:15:30,159
kehoe on the show talking about the big

3096
02:15:35,669 --> 02:15:34,320
cover-up right never mentions roswell

3097
02:15:38,950 --> 02:15:35,679
correct

3098
02:15:40,149 --> 02:15:38,960
that is a history note of record

3099
02:15:43,350 --> 02:15:40,159
for me

3100
02:15:46,790 --> 02:15:43,360
that this cover-up was completely

3101
02:15:47,990 --> 02:15:46,800
successful exactly so efficient so

3102
02:15:49,910 --> 02:15:48,000
ingenious

3103
02:15:51,189 --> 02:15:49,920
by the very wording of the press release

3104
02:15:54,390 --> 02:15:51,199
and

3105
02:15:56,709 --> 02:15:54,400
within a half hour after the press

3106
02:15:59,189 --> 02:15:56,719
release went out

3107
02:16:02,149 --> 02:15:59,199
the phone calls were not only coming in

3108
02:16:04,950 --> 02:16:02,159
at roswell they were also coming in

3109
02:16:07,430 --> 02:16:04,960
going up the chain of command to general

3110
02:16:10,629 --> 02:16:07,440
raymond at fort worth

3111
02:16:12,709 --> 02:16:10,639
and by all the press accounts the

3112
02:16:13,510 --> 02:16:12,719
timeline the bulletins that were going

3113
02:16:16,870 --> 02:16:13,520
on

3114
02:16:19,270 --> 02:16:16,880
general raymie within a half hour

3115
02:16:21,510 --> 02:16:19,280
of the acknowledgement that they had

3116
02:16:25,030 --> 02:16:21,520
captured of the real thing

3117
02:16:27,669 --> 02:16:25,040
he was already telling the press

3118
02:16:29,030 --> 02:16:27,679
he had it in his office it was under

3119
02:16:31,030 --> 02:16:29,040
heavy guard

3120
02:16:33,990 --> 02:16:31,040
and it looks like a weather balloon with

3121
02:16:36,790 --> 02:16:34,000
a radar reflector kite

3122
02:16:39,349 --> 02:16:36,800
the evolution from the flying saucer

3123
02:16:42,230 --> 02:16:39,359
even the christian monitor newsletter

3124
02:16:44,150 --> 02:16:42,240
the associated press did the bulletins

3125
02:16:46,070 --> 02:16:44,160
minute by minute

3126
02:16:47,910 --> 02:16:46,080
and within

3127
02:16:50,469 --> 02:16:47,920
that five hour

3128
02:16:53,669 --> 02:16:50,479
time period you see from the flying

3129
02:16:55,589 --> 02:16:53,679
saucer and then the evolution into the

3130
02:16:58,709 --> 02:16:55,599
weather balloon with the radar reflector

3131
02:17:02,309 --> 02:16:58,719
kite this all happened not within a

3132
02:17:04,309 --> 02:17:02,319
a matter of days this was all within

3133
02:17:06,070 --> 02:17:04,319
five hours

3134
02:17:08,709 --> 02:17:06,080
and then that press conference in

3135
02:17:10,709 --> 02:17:08,719
general ramy's office not in roswell

3136
02:17:12,549 --> 02:17:10,719
where this all went down

3137
02:17:15,190 --> 02:17:12,559
it shifted all attention away from

3138
02:17:16,230 --> 02:17:15,200
roswell base commander at roswell

3139
02:17:17,990 --> 02:17:16,240
colonel

3140
02:17:21,349 --> 02:17:18,000
william blanchard he announces he's

3141
02:17:23,589 --> 02:17:21,359
going on leave so he's not available

3142
02:17:25,110 --> 02:17:23,599
major marcel the only one mentioned in

3143
02:17:28,629 --> 02:17:25,120
the press release

3144
02:17:30,230 --> 02:17:28,639
he's conveniently missing he's gone he's

3145
02:17:31,110 --> 02:17:30,240
in fort worth

3146
02:17:33,910 --> 02:17:31,120
and

3147
02:17:36,070 --> 02:17:33,920
mack brazil the ranch foreman he's been

3148
02:17:38,389 --> 02:17:36,080
abducted by the military they have him

3149
02:17:39,910 --> 02:17:38,399
for the next five days hiding him out at

3150
02:17:41,349 --> 02:17:39,920
the guest house

3151
02:17:44,389 --> 02:17:41,359
at the base

3152
02:17:46,950 --> 02:17:44,399
so no one is available in roswell

3153
02:17:49,030 --> 02:17:46,960
all attention over the fort worth

3154
02:17:51,910 --> 02:17:49,040
general raymie it's nothing more than a

3155
02:17:53,910 --> 02:17:51,920
weather balloon they take the pictures

3156
02:17:55,589 --> 02:17:53,920
marcel is ordered not to say another

3157
02:17:57,349 --> 02:17:55,599
word to the press

3158
02:17:59,270 --> 02:17:57,359
he's kept overnight he's not even

3159
02:18:00,790 --> 02:17:59,280
allowed to fly back to roswell until the

3160
02:18:03,750 --> 02:18:00,800
next evening

3161
02:18:06,150 --> 02:18:03,760
until this is again quieted down

3162
02:18:07,589 --> 02:18:06,160
and raymie announces that the resumption

3163
02:18:10,150 --> 02:18:07,599
of the flight

3164
02:18:12,230 --> 02:18:10,160
has been canceled no need to have this

3165
02:18:15,589 --> 02:18:12,240
weather balloon test and analyzed i've

3166
02:18:19,429 --> 02:18:15,599
just identified it end of story and yet

3167
02:18:24,549 --> 02:18:19,439
the fbi telex the fbi bureau office in

3168
02:18:26,070 --> 02:18:24,559
dallas at 6 17 that same evening put out

3169
02:18:27,990 --> 02:18:26,080
a press release

3170
02:18:31,750 --> 02:18:28,000
where they refuted the balloon

3171
02:18:34,230 --> 02:18:31,760
explanation they said not only

3172
02:18:37,110 --> 02:18:34,240
is it not a balloon based on their phone

3173
02:18:40,230 --> 02:18:37,120
conversations with right field but the

3174
02:18:42,549 --> 02:18:40,240
actual wreckage is still going on to

3175
02:18:44,790 --> 02:18:42,559
right field protesting and analysis in

3176
02:18:46,950 --> 02:18:44,800
fact the pentagon even

3177
02:18:50,070 --> 02:18:46,960
repeated that same

3178
02:18:52,709 --> 02:18:50,080
final destination they also said that

3179
02:18:55,030 --> 02:18:52,719
the re that the wreckage was still going

3180
02:18:56,309 --> 02:18:55,040
on the right field for testing and

3181
02:18:57,030 --> 02:18:56,319
analysis

3182
02:18:58,389 --> 02:18:57,040
so

3183
02:19:00,950 --> 02:18:58,399
there

3184
02:19:02,150 --> 02:19:00,960
this is all happening within that time

3185
02:19:04,309 --> 02:19:02,160
frame

3186
02:19:06,629 --> 02:19:04,319
and yet already

3187
02:19:08,070 --> 02:19:06,639
high-ranking officials are refuting and

3188
02:19:11,190 --> 02:19:08,080
are disagreeing with the balloon

3189
02:19:12,309 --> 02:19:11,200
explanation but the press latched on to

3190
02:19:16,230 --> 02:19:12,319
the balloon

3191
02:19:18,070 --> 02:19:16,240
they accepted it and the story stuck for

3192
02:19:22,070 --> 02:19:18,080
the next 30 years

3193
02:19:24,389 --> 02:19:22,080
now uh i i i i want to jump 30 years

3194
02:19:27,830 --> 02:19:24,399
later we're going to do that right now

3195
02:19:29,669 --> 02:19:27,840
but it also if we going back to this

3196
02:19:31,990 --> 02:19:29,679
time period

3197
02:19:35,190 --> 02:19:32,000
mac brazil shows up in town with a shiny

3198
02:19:37,110 --> 02:19:35,200
new pickup truck right correct

3199
02:19:40,389 --> 02:19:37,120
at the time there had been

3200
02:19:41,349 --> 02:19:40,399
three separate awards being offered a

3201
02:19:44,950 --> 02:19:41,359
thousand

3202
02:19:47,669 --> 02:19:44,960
more

3203
02:19:49,270 --> 02:19:47,679
by a private individual anyone providing

3204
02:19:51,110 --> 02:19:49,280
physical proof

3205
02:19:52,469 --> 02:19:51,120
of the flying discs of the flying

3206
02:19:54,230 --> 02:19:52,479
saucers

3207
02:19:57,030 --> 02:19:54,240
and the fact that they kept browsing for

3208
02:19:59,990 --> 02:19:57,040
five full days they deprived him of

3209
02:20:02,469 --> 02:20:00,000
water of food of sleep

3210
02:20:04,550 --> 02:20:02,479
they uh asked him the same questions

3211
02:20:07,510 --> 02:20:04,560
over and over again they did not afford

3212
02:20:10,150 --> 02:20:07,520
him due process to call his boss that he

3213
02:20:12,790 --> 02:20:10,160
wasn't at the ranch even to call his own

3214
02:20:14,309 --> 02:20:12,800
wife to let her know he was safe that he

3215
02:20:15,990 --> 02:20:14,319
was someplace

3216
02:20:18,309 --> 02:20:16,000
so

3217
02:20:20,150 --> 02:20:18,319
and if you can imagine jimmy that he was

3218
02:20:21,990 --> 02:20:20,160
also he talked about the indignity that

3219
02:20:24,870 --> 02:20:22,000
he was subjected to

3220
02:20:27,429 --> 02:20:24,880
a full army physical including a full

3221
02:20:28,950 --> 02:20:27,439
body cavity search yeah for a weather

3222
02:20:31,190 --> 02:20:28,960
balloon do you think they were looking

3223
02:20:34,150 --> 02:20:31,200
for a weather balloon yeah yeah and and

3224
02:20:36,870 --> 02:20:34,160
now and and to the point

3225
02:20:39,190 --> 02:20:36,880
mack brazil didn't own the ranch he was

3226
02:20:41,270 --> 02:20:39,200
a foreman he was a cowboy

3227
02:20:43,510 --> 02:20:41,280
right right he was a supervisor right

3228
02:20:46,630 --> 02:20:43,520
and where where does he come up with the

3229
02:20:49,270 --> 02:20:46,640
money to suddenly show up in town

3230
02:20:51,190 --> 02:20:49,280
with a brand new pickup truck which was

3231
02:20:53,670 --> 02:20:51,200
a big deal

3232
02:20:56,870 --> 02:20:53,680
for anybody there's a year's income back

3233
02:21:00,309 --> 02:20:56,880
then it was it's a year's income now

3234
02:21:02,469 --> 02:21:00,319
yeah respect yes yes but he also had

3235
02:21:03,910 --> 02:21:02,479
enough money that he bought a

3236
02:21:06,150 --> 02:21:03,920
meat locker

3237
02:21:08,389 --> 02:21:06,160
up in denver colorado

3238
02:21:09,670 --> 02:21:08,399
and he bought say purchased some land

3239
02:21:11,750 --> 02:21:09,680
that's right

3240
02:21:13,830 --> 02:21:11,760
i mean all of a sudden he shows up and

3241
02:21:16,710 --> 02:21:13,840
we had his neighbors say that he barely

3242
02:21:18,389 --> 02:21:16,720
had two nickels to rub together in his

3243
02:21:20,790 --> 02:21:18,399
his blue jeans

3244
02:21:23,270 --> 02:21:20,800
and yet this all comes together

3245
02:21:25,590 --> 02:21:23,280
immediately thereafter and one of the

3246
02:21:28,070 --> 02:21:25,600
things that we always keep kept coming

3247
02:21:30,469 --> 02:21:28,080
back to with the brazil family what

3248
02:21:32,150 --> 02:21:30,479
would it have taken to break him was

3249
02:21:34,309 --> 02:21:32,160
what was it just that

3250
02:21:37,270 --> 02:21:34,319
did they buy his silence

3251
02:21:41,429 --> 02:21:37,280
well what what he finally confided there

3252
02:21:44,150 --> 02:21:41,439
was a feed and grain operator in roswell

3253
02:21:46,790 --> 02:21:44,160
by the last name of patterson

3254
02:21:49,349 --> 02:21:46,800
and we tracked down the family and the

3255
02:21:51,670 --> 02:21:49,359
son knew mack brazzo

3256
02:21:53,429 --> 02:21:51,680
and the one thing that brazil finally

3257
02:21:55,990 --> 02:21:53,439
said now we have to go back to the

3258
02:21:58,550 --> 02:21:56,000
zeitgeist of the time

3259
02:22:00,309 --> 02:21:58,560
what were people the most fearful of

3260
02:22:03,510 --> 02:22:00,319
back at that time

3261
02:22:06,389 --> 02:22:03,520
and what brazil said when they finally

3262
02:22:08,150 --> 02:22:06,399
told him that they would put him in an

3263
02:22:12,389 --> 02:22:08,160
asylum

3264
02:22:13,510 --> 02:22:12,399
and he would never see his family a day

3265
02:22:15,830 --> 02:22:13,520
after

3266
02:22:18,870 --> 02:22:15,840
back then the asylums were

3267
02:22:21,110 --> 02:22:18,880
lobotomies electric shock

3268
02:22:22,550 --> 02:22:21,120
they feared an asylum more than they

3269
02:22:25,110 --> 02:22:22,560
feared prison

3270
02:22:27,590 --> 02:22:25,120
back at that time sure and that's what

3271
02:22:29,750 --> 02:22:27,600
broke him the thought that oh my god

3272
02:22:31,510 --> 02:22:29,760
they're going to you know erase this

3273
02:22:33,110 --> 02:22:31,520
from my mind they're going to make me

3274
02:22:33,830 --> 02:22:33,120
into a vegetable

3275
02:22:36,150 --> 02:22:33,840
and

3276
02:22:38,790 --> 02:22:36,160
that's when he finally okay whatever you

3277
02:22:41,190 --> 02:22:38,800
want me to say i will say and that's

3278
02:22:42,790 --> 02:22:41,200
when they escorted him through town at

3279
02:22:45,990 --> 02:22:42,800
the same time that the balloon

3280
02:22:47,429 --> 02:22:46,000
explanation is going out brazzo is being

3281
02:22:49,990 --> 02:22:47,439
escorted by the military to the

3282
02:22:53,750 --> 02:22:50,000
newspapers to the radio stations where

3283
02:22:55,190 --> 02:22:53,760
he's also retracting he's also saying

3284
02:22:56,950 --> 02:22:55,200
it was nothing more than a weather

3285
02:22:58,630 --> 02:22:56,960
balloon i never meant it to get out of

3286
02:23:00,070 --> 02:22:58,640
hand and get everybody excited but

3287
02:23:02,150 --> 02:23:00,080
that's all it was

3288
02:23:05,349 --> 02:23:02,160
and uh you know i brought up a long john

3289
02:23:07,590 --> 02:23:05,359
neville earlier and there's a there's

3290
02:23:09,510 --> 02:23:07,600
something else that i will say this to

3291
02:23:10,870 --> 02:23:09,520
the audience if you can bring me

3292
02:23:13,750 --> 02:23:10,880
evidence

3293
02:23:16,710 --> 02:23:13,760
uh i would love to look at it but not

3294
02:23:19,190 --> 02:23:16,720
only was it erased from popular culture

3295
02:23:20,630 --> 02:23:19,200
and and with somebody as significant as

3296
02:23:22,870 --> 02:23:20,640
long john neville

3297
02:23:25,750 --> 02:23:22,880
and all of the researchers that he

3298
02:23:29,590 --> 02:23:25,760
paraded on his show each night to

3299
02:23:30,309 --> 02:23:29,600
discuss ufos and e.t contact and crashes

3300
02:23:34,790 --> 02:23:30,319
and

3301
02:23:37,349 --> 02:23:34,800
everything that they discussed but it

3302
02:23:40,790 --> 02:23:37,359
also wasn't mentioned in any books

3303
02:23:44,230 --> 02:23:40,800
kehoe didn't put it in any of his books

3304
02:23:46,389 --> 02:23:44,240
roswell wasn't out there at all

3305
02:23:48,870 --> 02:23:46,399
and if there's a mention of roswell out

3306
02:23:51,750 --> 02:23:48,880
there please i want to see it but i have

3307
02:23:53,590 --> 02:23:51,760
it it was jimmy mentioned in in

3308
02:23:54,950 --> 02:23:53,600
two three books that i'm aware of one

3309
02:23:57,670 --> 02:23:54,960
was uh

3310
02:24:00,790 --> 02:23:57,680
frank edwards book uh flying saucers

3311
02:24:02,710 --> 02:24:00,800
here and now but it was brief

3312
02:24:06,230 --> 02:24:02,720
it was just a couple seconds a couple of

3313
02:24:09,429 --> 02:24:06,240
sentences harold t wilkins in his uh his

3314
02:24:11,590 --> 02:24:09,439
book flying sources on the attack also

3315
02:24:14,469 --> 02:24:11,600
again a couple of sentences a couple of

3316
02:24:16,469 --> 02:24:14,479
sentences that's it there isn't uh you

3317
02:24:18,230 --> 02:24:16,479
would have thought and my my point that

3318
02:24:20,230 --> 02:24:18,240
i'm trying to drive home

3319
02:24:23,349 --> 02:24:20,240
is that roswell should have been the

3320
02:24:25,429 --> 02:24:23,359
subject of many shows

3321
02:24:29,429 --> 02:24:25,439
for long john neville it should be

3322
02:24:31,990 --> 02:24:29,439
chapters in books by donald kehoe but it

3323
02:24:33,830 --> 02:24:32,000
wasn't no you're absolutely correct and

3324
02:24:35,590 --> 02:24:33,840
it wasn't until

3325
02:24:38,710 --> 02:24:35,600
then lieutenant colonel

3326
02:24:40,790 --> 02:24:38,720
jesse marcel senior was diagnosed with

3327
02:24:42,790 --> 02:24:40,800
terminal emphysema

3328
02:24:45,190 --> 02:24:42,800
and after he had been told for years

3329
02:24:47,030 --> 02:24:45,200
jess just be a good soldier it's all

3330
02:24:48,790 --> 02:24:47,040
going to come out you're going to be

3331
02:24:50,469 --> 02:24:48,800
vindicated you'll be a hero it's all

3332
02:24:53,670 --> 02:24:50,479
going to come out well he waits five

3333
02:24:57,349 --> 02:24:53,680
years 10 15 20. it's 30 years later and

3334
02:25:00,150 --> 02:24:57,359
he realizes well they're not coming out

3335
02:25:02,070 --> 02:25:00,160
well he comes out now in public and now

3336
02:25:04,150 --> 02:25:02,080
let's uh let's let's talk about that

3337
02:25:05,510 --> 02:25:04,160
moment uh before we go to the break and

3338
02:25:08,230 --> 02:25:05,520
by the way

3339
02:25:09,830 --> 02:25:08,240
you're doing overtime with us so just

3340
02:25:11,590 --> 02:25:09,840
just get ready there's still one more

3341
02:25:14,790 --> 02:25:11,600
segment left

3342
02:25:16,150 --> 02:25:14,800
we're not anywhere near uh to the end of

3343
02:25:17,429 --> 02:25:16,160
this story

3344
02:25:19,510 --> 02:25:17,439
but uh

3345
02:25:20,469 --> 02:25:19,520
i want to go to

3346
02:25:22,469 --> 02:25:20,479
the

3347
02:25:26,630 --> 02:25:22,479
fictionalized version of this and that

3348
02:25:29,510 --> 02:25:26,640
is the movie yeah and so in the movie

3349
02:25:31,590 --> 02:25:29,520
uh the bomb group the you know they get

3350
02:25:35,429 --> 02:25:31,600
together

3351
02:25:37,750 --> 02:25:35,439
a reunion and that's uh where

3352
02:25:41,110 --> 02:25:37,760
uh jessie maricel

3353
02:25:44,070 --> 02:25:41,120
has his sunday go to meeting

3354
02:25:45,750 --> 02:25:44,080
thing with himself and and all of this

3355
02:25:49,030 --> 02:25:45,760
comes out was

3356
02:25:50,870 --> 02:25:49,040
was that was that hollywood or

3357
02:25:52,469 --> 02:25:50,880
was that pretty close to

3358
02:25:56,550 --> 02:25:52,479
reality

3359
02:25:58,469 --> 02:25:56,560
we had heard from a number

3360
02:25:59,590 --> 02:25:58,479
of military

3361
02:26:01,510 --> 02:25:59,600
from

3362
02:26:03,110 --> 02:26:01,520
reunions

3363
02:26:04,950 --> 02:26:03,120
that they would bring this up there

3364
02:26:07,429 --> 02:26:04,960
would be discussion

3365
02:26:09,910 --> 02:26:07,439
about roswell

3366
02:26:11,670 --> 02:26:09,920
and who was finally going to break the

3367
02:26:13,910 --> 02:26:11,680
story

3368
02:26:17,349 --> 02:26:13,920
and so it became

3369
02:26:20,309 --> 02:26:17,359
more of a composite situation

3370
02:26:21,910 --> 02:26:20,319
in that we want to draw in all the other

3371
02:26:24,630 --> 02:26:21,920
characters

3372
02:26:27,510 --> 02:26:24,640
and that's where we felt that a reunion

3373
02:26:30,309 --> 02:26:27,520
would have served the purpose

3374
02:26:33,349 --> 02:26:30,319
it still was a case of marcel

3375
02:26:35,349 --> 02:26:33,359
deciding whether to break his oath

3376
02:26:37,750 --> 02:26:35,359
he's dying at the time

3377
02:26:39,830 --> 02:26:37,760
and whether it was worth

3378
02:26:42,710 --> 02:26:39,840
the wait and whether

3379
02:26:45,910 --> 02:26:42,720
as much as he was told it won't matter

3380
02:26:48,070 --> 02:26:45,920
just the people still won't believe you

3381
02:26:51,429 --> 02:26:48,080
after all this time and then with the

3382
02:26:54,550 --> 02:26:51,439
martin sheen character the deep throat

3383
02:26:55,990 --> 02:26:54,560
the fed from washington telling him this

3384
02:26:58,870 --> 02:26:56,000
was all true

3385
02:27:01,510 --> 02:26:58,880
it's all real but then when marcel asks

3386
02:27:04,469 --> 02:27:01,520
well what did i see back in that field

3387
02:27:07,030 --> 02:27:04,479
back in 1947 and he realized him right

3388
02:27:09,750 --> 02:27:07,040
back and why jesse that was just the

3389
02:27:12,469 --> 02:27:09,760
weather balloon no it wasn't i held it

3390
02:27:14,309 --> 02:27:12,479
in my hands and it's like the classic

3391
02:27:16,630 --> 02:27:14,319
moment within the vampire and the

3392
02:27:19,190 --> 02:27:16,640
reporter who's been trying to prove he

3393
02:27:21,670 --> 02:27:19,200
exists and the vampire finally says go

3394
02:27:24,550 --> 02:27:21,680
ahead tell the world

3395
02:27:27,270 --> 02:27:24,560
you have no proof no one will believe

3396
02:27:29,750 --> 02:27:27,280
you and so marcel has that exact same

3397
02:27:31,670 --> 02:27:29,760
moment you have no proof and what's the

3398
02:27:33,910 --> 02:27:31,680
final scene in the movie they're bot

3399
02:27:35,590 --> 02:27:33,920
they're back out at the debris field

3400
02:27:37,110 --> 02:27:35,600
he and his son they're still looking

3401
02:27:38,870 --> 02:27:37,120
there's i mean

3402
02:27:42,070 --> 02:27:38,880
did it really happen

3403
02:27:42,790 --> 02:27:42,080
was i really here back in 47. what did i

3404
02:27:44,710 --> 02:27:42,800
do

3405
02:27:48,870 --> 02:27:44,720
we've got a two minutes before the break

3406
02:27:52,710 --> 02:27:48,880
how did uh uh jesse recount this to you

3407
02:27:56,309 --> 02:27:52,720
well i never had the experience

3408
02:27:58,870 --> 02:27:56,319
of talking to jesse senior he had died

3409
02:28:01,190 --> 02:27:58,880
about three years before we started our

3410
02:28:03,750 --> 02:28:01,200
own independent investigation okay so we

3411
02:28:06,070 --> 02:28:03,760
could rely only on all the video

3412
02:28:07,990 --> 02:28:06,080
recordings uh some of the audio tracks

3413
02:28:09,830 --> 02:28:08,000
and the actual people who had

3414
02:28:11,349 --> 02:28:09,840
conducted the interviews

3415
02:28:13,030 --> 02:28:11,359
okay um

3416
02:28:15,270 --> 02:28:13,040
if we back up to

3417
02:28:17,830 --> 02:28:15,280
1980

3418
02:28:19,190 --> 02:28:17,840
uh you know charles burlett right right

3419
02:28:20,389 --> 02:28:19,200
yeah

3420
02:28:21,349 --> 02:28:20,399
right right

3421
02:28:25,030 --> 02:28:21,359
um

3422
02:28:27,670 --> 02:28:25,040
how was it recounted there

3423
02:28:29,510 --> 02:28:27,680
one of the problems in the more

3424
02:28:31,830 --> 02:28:29,520
burlesque book is that they have a

3425
02:28:34,309 --> 02:28:31,840
picture of marcel

3426
02:28:35,590 --> 02:28:34,319
claiming that it's the actual wreckage

3427
02:28:38,469 --> 02:28:35,600
in the book

3428
02:28:41,110 --> 02:28:38,479
and it's a crop picture of one of the

3429
02:28:44,309 --> 02:28:41,120
weather balloon pictures

3430
02:28:46,389 --> 02:28:44,319
and so they did not do jesse justice

3431
02:28:48,469 --> 02:28:46,399
in suggesting that

3432
02:28:50,870 --> 02:28:48,479
he was photographed with the genuine

3433
02:28:52,469 --> 02:28:50,880
article for example

3434
02:28:54,950 --> 02:28:52,479
now the

3435
02:28:57,830 --> 02:28:54,960
the quotes from

3436
02:28:58,630 --> 02:28:57,840
numerous interviews were accurate

3437
02:29:00,870 --> 02:28:58,640
but

3438
02:29:02,710 --> 02:29:00,880
as even bill moore the co-author of the

3439
02:29:05,510 --> 02:29:02,720
book described it

3440
02:29:08,150 --> 02:29:05,520
as a disgraceful hodgepodge of fact and

3441
02:29:09,429 --> 02:29:08,160
fiction right right right did open the

3442
02:29:12,710 --> 02:29:09,439
doors

3443
02:29:14,790 --> 02:29:12,720
it did start as far as and

3444
02:29:17,349 --> 02:29:14,800
to the point that i never purchased the

3445
02:29:19,270 --> 02:29:17,359
copy of the book until we started

3446
02:29:23,510 --> 02:29:19,280
you know nine years later

3447
02:29:25,030 --> 02:29:23,520
because i was that much a skeptic

3448
02:29:27,510 --> 02:29:25,040
could not accept that the government

3449
02:29:30,389 --> 02:29:27,520
could keep something of that magnitude a

3450
02:29:33,830 --> 02:29:30,399
secret for all that time

3451
02:29:35,110 --> 02:29:33,840
how did uh 30 seconds

3452
02:29:36,389 --> 02:29:35,120
how did

3453
02:29:40,150 --> 02:29:36,399
uh

3454
02:29:44,230 --> 02:29:40,160
charles berlitz and and bill moore

3455
02:29:46,550 --> 02:29:44,240
uh stumble onto the roswell case

3456
02:29:48,469 --> 02:29:46,560
well they had also done the book

3457
02:29:50,230 --> 02:29:48,479
uh uh burlitz had done the book on the

3458
02:29:52,070 --> 02:29:50,240
bermuda triangle that's right and then

3459
02:29:54,550 --> 02:29:52,080
they also did the book they did the book

3460
02:29:57,030 --> 02:29:54,560
together on a philadelphia experiment

3461
02:29:59,830 --> 02:29:57,040
that's right and because stan friedman

3462
02:30:02,230 --> 02:29:59,840
had already talked to marcel

3463
02:30:04,950 --> 02:30:02,240
and what's interesting is that stan was

3464
02:30:07,429 --> 02:30:04,960
the principal investigator for the book

3465
02:30:10,070 --> 02:30:07,439
and he's only acknowledged but

3466
02:30:10,870 --> 02:30:10,080
he's the main reason that there was that

3467
02:30:12,550 --> 02:30:10,880
book

3468
02:30:14,710 --> 02:30:12,560
and they needed a heavyweight

3469
02:30:17,349 --> 02:30:14,720
heavyweight uh writer and that being

3470
02:30:19,750 --> 02:30:17,359
charles burlitz the linguist

3471
02:30:21,910 --> 02:30:19,760
and so uh that's how i think it was

3472
02:30:23,429 --> 02:30:21,920
harper and collins the publisher that

3473
02:30:27,270 --> 02:30:23,439
brought them together so that was the

3474
02:30:30,389 --> 02:30:27,280
timeline then uh stanton spoke to marcel

3475
02:30:31,830 --> 02:30:30,399
correct 78 and 78 and then he turns

3476
02:30:34,309 --> 02:30:31,840
around and reaches out to charles

3477
02:30:36,389 --> 02:30:34,319
bullitt and william moore and the book

3478
02:30:37,750 --> 02:30:36,399
was published i think it was bailey

3479
02:30:39,830 --> 02:30:37,760
moore and then i think it was the

3480
02:30:41,590 --> 02:30:39,840
publisher harper and collins that then

3481
02:30:43,270 --> 02:30:41,600
put the two of them together put them

3482
02:30:47,349 --> 02:30:43,280
together and that book was published in

3483
02:30:48,630 --> 02:30:47,359
1980 that's correct 1980. man see i

3484
02:30:51,510 --> 02:30:48,640
still have a

3485
02:30:53,349 --> 02:30:51,520
i think in my case the opposite of yours

3486
02:30:54,950 --> 02:30:53,359
first the body

3487
02:30:56,870 --> 02:30:54,960
than the mind

3488
02:30:58,870 --> 02:30:56,880
our guest tonight the one and only don

3489
02:31:02,469 --> 02:30:58,880
schmidt we will continue

3490
02:31:04,309 --> 02:31:02,479
75th anniversary of roswell revisited

3491
02:31:05,990 --> 02:31:04,319
right after this short break this is

3492
02:31:07,990 --> 02:31:06,000
fade to black on the game changer and

3493
02:31:10,150 --> 02:31:08,000
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3494
02:31:16,370 --> 02:31:10,160
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02:31:16,380 --> 02:31:41,590
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it is the 75th anniversary this year of

3597
02:36:56,550 --> 02:36:55,200
the crash in roswell new mexico north of

3598
02:37:02,469 --> 02:36:56,560
roswell

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3603
02:37:14,230 --> 02:37:11,040
book i don't have the

3604
02:37:16,150 --> 02:37:14,240
75th anniversary hardcover edition

3605
02:37:19,510 --> 02:37:16,160
though but i'm going to get mine in

3606
02:37:23,670 --> 02:37:19,520
roswell in uh july in a couple of months

3607
02:37:24,870 --> 02:37:23,680
um now this is where uh

3608
02:37:29,270 --> 02:37:24,880
the

3609
02:37:31,429 --> 02:37:29,280
uh attempt i'm talking about let's go to

3610
02:37:34,710 --> 02:37:31,439
1997 we're going to jump forward in the

3611
02:37:36,230 --> 02:37:34,720
timeline here uh 96 97

3612
02:37:39,830 --> 02:37:36,240
where uh

3613
02:37:41,590 --> 02:37:39,840
there is uh another attempt at closure

3614
02:37:43,750 --> 02:37:41,600
uh with this

3615
02:37:46,950 --> 02:37:43,760
and we have a couple of things that

3616
02:37:50,150 --> 02:37:46,960
happen uh we have elected officials in

3617
02:37:52,469 --> 02:37:50,160
the state of new mexico that want to uh

3618
02:37:53,349 --> 02:37:52,479
to get into this and get an inquiry

3619
02:37:55,830 --> 02:37:53,359
going

3620
02:37:58,309 --> 02:37:55,840
uh we have the general accounting office

3621
02:37:59,349 --> 02:37:58,319
the gao which scares the crap out of me

3622
02:38:01,349 --> 02:37:59,359
by the way

3623
02:38:02,870 --> 02:38:01,359
uh they get involved

3624
02:38:05,349 --> 02:38:02,880
and uh

3625
02:38:06,389 --> 02:38:05,359
and i remember don

3626
02:38:08,230 --> 02:38:06,399
look

3627
02:38:10,710 --> 02:38:08,240
i'm not uh the

3628
02:38:12,790 --> 02:38:10,720
the most educated

3629
02:38:15,270 --> 02:38:12,800
person when it comes to roswell or any

3630
02:38:16,230 --> 02:38:15,280
uf5 there's just too much information

3631
02:38:17,510 --> 02:38:16,240
out there

3632
02:38:19,670 --> 02:38:17,520
but

3633
02:38:22,389 --> 02:38:19,680
i'm a student of this

3634
02:38:25,349 --> 02:38:22,399
and i know what i have read over the

3635
02:38:26,230 --> 02:38:25,359
years all of your books and and stantons

3636
02:38:29,429 --> 02:38:26,240
and

3637
02:38:30,469 --> 02:38:29,439
crasha corona right i've read i've read

3638
02:38:33,910 --> 02:38:30,479
them all

3639
02:38:36,389 --> 02:38:33,920
and i have a pretty firm grasp of

3640
02:38:37,510 --> 02:38:36,399
timelines of things and that includes

3641
02:38:39,910 --> 02:38:37,520
mogul

3642
02:38:42,790 --> 02:38:39,920
um and and other things because i'm

3643
02:38:44,230 --> 02:38:42,800
studying the ufo phenomenon right and

3644
02:38:45,429 --> 02:38:44,240
especially

3645
02:38:48,309 --> 02:38:45,439
in in

3646
02:38:52,070 --> 02:38:48,319
by by the time the 90s roll around

3647
02:38:55,110 --> 02:38:52,080
i've got a pretty firm grip right okay

3648
02:38:58,150 --> 02:38:55,120
when the press releases came out

3649
02:39:00,550 --> 02:38:58,160
about roswell case closed right and and

3650
02:39:01,510 --> 02:39:00,560
we had a couple of events that happened

3651
02:39:09,349 --> 02:39:01,520
in

3652
02:39:11,349 --> 02:39:09,359
when i had read

3653
02:39:15,030 --> 02:39:11,359
i was in my car

3654
02:39:19,270 --> 02:39:15,040
and and i had read this and i rush home

3655
02:39:21,910 --> 02:39:19,280
i pull open the internet and i'm like no

3656
02:39:22,950 --> 02:39:21,920
they're talking about 1954

3657
02:39:25,990 --> 02:39:22,960
here

3658
02:39:28,710 --> 02:39:26,000
they're talking about 1952

3659
02:39:30,870 --> 02:39:28,720
here even i

3660
02:39:34,309 --> 02:39:30,880
know that this is bs

3661
02:39:36,309 --> 02:39:34,319
and so i went back and and did my own

3662
02:39:37,510 --> 02:39:36,319
just to clear my head

3663
02:39:39,750 --> 02:39:37,520
as to

3664
02:39:43,190 --> 02:39:39,760
what was now being

3665
02:39:45,990 --> 02:39:43,200
uh pushed on uh the citizens of the

3666
02:39:47,270 --> 02:39:46,000
united states a false story but i wanted

3667
02:39:51,830 --> 02:39:47,280
to make sure

3668
02:39:55,349 --> 02:39:51,840
uh that i had my facts right and i did

3669
02:39:58,389 --> 02:39:55,359
yes now take me back to

3670
02:40:00,389 --> 02:39:58,399
uh 1997 when you started to read the

3671
02:40:04,309 --> 02:40:00,399
gao's report

3672
02:40:06,630 --> 02:40:04,319
um oh oh also one other thing in the gao

3673
02:40:09,750 --> 02:40:06,640
uh report was that

3674
02:40:14,630 --> 02:40:09,760
um and i was shocked that all the

3675
02:40:15,670 --> 02:40:14,640
records for roswell right are gone

3676
02:40:19,830 --> 02:40:15,680
right

3677
02:40:21,670 --> 02:40:19,840
every transmission every receipt that's

3678
02:40:22,630 --> 02:40:21,680
the general accounting office right they

3679
02:40:25,030 --> 02:40:22,640
want

3680
02:40:28,070 --> 02:40:25,040
it's like judge judy right people's

3681
02:40:30,150 --> 02:40:28,080
court do you have a receipt right

3682
02:40:31,750 --> 02:40:30,160
right and if you don't have a receipt

3683
02:40:34,469 --> 02:40:31,760
you don't have a case

3684
02:40:36,309 --> 02:40:34,479
right right and and suddenly there's

3685
02:40:39,030 --> 02:40:36,319
nothing

3686
02:40:40,389 --> 02:40:39,040
anywhere for roswell

3687
02:40:42,469 --> 02:40:40,399
what went through your mind as you

3688
02:40:45,429 --> 02:40:42,479
started to read this stuff at the first

3689
02:40:48,469 --> 02:40:45,439
atomic bomb base in the world there is

3690
02:40:50,309 --> 02:40:48,479
no record for them in the summer of 1947

3691
02:40:51,910 --> 02:40:50,319
when this all happened how convenient

3692
02:40:53,670 --> 02:40:51,920
you'd see that in the movie you'd walk

3693
02:40:56,230 --> 02:40:53,680
out because you'd say this is too

3694
02:40:58,230 --> 02:40:56,240
predictable this they're insulting our

3695
02:41:00,870 --> 02:40:58,240
intelligence and

3696
02:41:02,630 --> 02:41:00,880
even dating back in the the first years

3697
02:41:04,790 --> 02:41:02,640
of our investigation remember we talked

3698
02:41:06,630 --> 02:41:04,800
about captain sheridan cavett yes

3699
02:41:09,030 --> 02:41:06,640
retired lieutenant colonel he was head

3700
02:41:11,910 --> 02:41:09,040
of counterintelligence at the base

3701
02:41:13,990 --> 02:41:11,920
and what was so striking was after

3702
02:41:16,150 --> 02:41:14,000
kevin randolph and i had spent a full

3703
02:41:17,750 --> 02:41:16,160
afternoon on a sunday with him at their

3704
02:41:19,670 --> 02:41:17,760
summer

3705
02:41:22,150 --> 02:41:19,680
actually their winter home in sierra

3706
02:41:23,590 --> 02:41:22,160
vista arizona

3707
02:41:25,830 --> 02:41:23,600
and after he

3708
02:41:28,710 --> 02:41:25,840
spent the better part of the afternoon

3709
02:41:31,429 --> 02:41:28,720
denying that he was even

3710
02:41:33,990 --> 02:41:31,439
there that he was involved in any

3711
02:41:35,510 --> 02:41:34,000
aspect of the case and he walked us out

3712
02:41:37,590 --> 02:41:35,520
to the car

3713
02:41:39,590 --> 02:41:37,600
and we were saying our goodbyes and then

3714
02:41:40,790 --> 02:41:39,600
he said to us boys i just have to know

3715
02:41:42,469 --> 02:41:40,800
one thing

3716
02:41:44,630 --> 02:41:42,479
should you find anything that should

3717
02:41:47,990 --> 02:41:44,640
threaten national security

3718
02:41:49,670 --> 02:41:48,000
you will keep it to yourselves won't you

3719
02:41:52,150 --> 02:41:49,680
and we looked at one another and we

3720
02:41:53,910 --> 02:41:52,160
nodded yes colonel yes of course well we

3721
02:41:55,269 --> 02:41:53,920
got in the car we drove off we looked at

3722
02:41:58,389 --> 02:41:55,279
one another and went

3723
02:42:01,910 --> 02:41:58,399
he knows everything right

3724
02:42:03,269 --> 02:42:01,920
and so i mean it became a harbinger of

3725
02:42:05,429 --> 02:42:03,279
then

3726
02:42:07,030 --> 02:42:05,439
what it became not only with the race

3727
02:42:09,190 --> 02:42:07,040
with the undertaker with the witnesses

3728
02:42:10,950 --> 02:42:09,200
but the fact that we realized that we

3729
02:42:12,870 --> 02:42:10,960
were fighting city hall

3730
02:42:14,870 --> 02:42:12,880
that from being total skeptics that we

3731
02:42:17,110 --> 02:42:14,880
had to start treating this as though it

3732
02:42:19,510 --> 02:42:17,120
was the real thing that we were getting

3733
02:42:21,030 --> 02:42:19,520
ready to get on the field with the

3734
02:42:23,110 --> 02:42:21,040
majors

3735
02:42:24,550 --> 02:42:23,120
as far as this is going to be a hard

3736
02:42:26,710 --> 02:42:24,560
ball game

3737
02:42:30,710 --> 02:42:26,720
and so we immediately approached the

3738
02:42:32,950 --> 02:42:30,720
late senator barry goldwater of arizona

3739
02:42:35,670 --> 02:42:32,960
and we have a personal letter from him

3740
02:42:38,389 --> 02:42:35,680
as far as that he himself tried to get

3741
02:42:40,630 --> 02:42:38,399
answers about roswell and that he knew

3742
02:42:43,349 --> 02:42:40,640
colonel blanchard personally you want to

3743
02:42:44,630 --> 02:42:43,359
talk about somebody who made such a

3744
02:42:46,389 --> 02:42:44,640
blunder

3745
02:42:47,910 --> 02:42:46,399
as far as the base commander at roswell

3746
02:42:50,550 --> 02:42:47,920
who went on to become a four-star

3747
02:42:52,630 --> 02:42:50,560
general by the age of 50.

3748
02:42:53,510 --> 02:42:52,640
so he was their favorite son and that

3749
02:42:55,590 --> 02:42:53,520
they

3750
02:42:57,510 --> 02:42:55,600
he was in no way reprimanded just as

3751
02:42:59,510 --> 02:42:57,520
marcel was not reprimanded just as

3752
02:43:02,870 --> 02:42:59,520
walter hot the public information

3753
02:43:05,030 --> 02:43:02,880
officer was not rebuked or reprimanded

3754
02:43:07,429 --> 02:43:05,040
in any way they were doing as they were

3755
02:43:09,349 --> 02:43:07,439
ordered they put out the press release

3756
02:43:11,349 --> 02:43:09,359
and then they had to live with it

3757
02:43:13,830 --> 02:43:11,359
even in the face of the fact that the

3758
02:43:16,790 --> 02:43:13,840
evidence certainly you know spoke

3759
02:43:18,389 --> 02:43:16,800
volumes otherwise so we we were working

3760
02:43:19,990 --> 02:43:18,399
with senator goldwater and then we

3761
02:43:21,990 --> 02:43:20,000
shortly thereafter we worked with the

3762
02:43:23,670 --> 02:43:22,000
late congressman stephen schiff

3763
02:43:25,990 --> 02:43:23,680
representing his own constituents in new

3764
02:43:28,309 --> 02:43:26,000
mexico well he is stonewall left and

3765
02:43:30,469 --> 02:43:28,319
right white house the pentagon branch of

3766
02:43:32,550 --> 02:43:30,479
the military he sends three separate

3767
02:43:33,750 --> 02:43:32,560
letters to then secretary of defense les

3768
02:43:35,750 --> 02:43:33,760
aspen

3769
02:43:37,349 --> 02:43:35,760
where he's also has the door slammed in

3770
02:43:39,590 --> 02:43:37,359
his face and that's when he went to

3771
02:43:42,790 --> 02:43:39,600
congress's own investigative body that

3772
02:43:44,550 --> 02:43:42,800
being the gao general accounting office

3773
02:43:47,990 --> 02:43:44,560
and their

3774
02:43:49,990 --> 02:43:48,000
as far as purview was to find receipts

3775
02:43:51,830 --> 02:43:50,000
as you described jimmy in other words

3776
02:43:53,269 --> 02:43:51,840
let's demonstrate that something had

3777
02:43:55,190 --> 02:43:53,279
happened

3778
02:43:57,510 --> 02:43:55,200
well

3779
02:43:59,510 --> 02:43:57,520
some surprise surprise they found

3780
02:44:01,110 --> 02:43:59,520
nothing there wasn't a single branch of

3781
02:44:03,429 --> 02:44:01,120
the military that could provide anything

3782
02:44:04,469 --> 02:44:03,439
because everything had mysteriously been

3783
02:44:06,389 --> 02:44:04,479
destroyed

3784
02:44:08,950 --> 02:44:06,399
that everything from the first atomic

3785
02:44:12,630 --> 02:44:08,960
bomb base in the world for the summer of

3786
02:44:14,950 --> 02:44:12,640
1947 was mysteriously destroyed

3787
02:44:16,630 --> 02:44:14,960
well anybody who believes that

3788
02:44:18,630 --> 02:44:16,640
right

3789
02:44:21,030 --> 02:44:18,640
the other nonsense yeah the general

3790
02:44:22,950 --> 02:44:21,040
accounting office went on to say and i'm

3791
02:44:26,389 --> 02:44:22,960
going to paraphrase here but this is my

3792
02:44:29,590 --> 02:44:26,399
memory saying that all records of phone

3793
02:44:32,230 --> 02:44:29,600
calls were destroyed any recordings that

3794
02:44:35,990 --> 02:44:32,240
were done were destroyed

3795
02:44:37,750 --> 02:44:36,000
any general accounting of any personnel

3796
02:44:42,469 --> 02:44:37,760
that were there

3797
02:44:43,510 --> 02:44:42,479
was destroyed that there was nothing

3798
02:44:45,110 --> 02:44:43,520
at all

3799
02:44:46,630 --> 02:44:45,120
available

3800
02:44:48,710 --> 02:44:46,640
about roswell

3801
02:44:51,030 --> 02:44:48,720
and what's interesting is that kevin

3802
02:44:52,230 --> 02:44:51,040
randle had actually talked to he had

3803
02:44:55,670 --> 02:44:52,240
interviewed

3804
02:44:57,190 --> 02:44:55,680
the base accountant the one that managed

3805
02:45:00,230 --> 02:44:57,200
the purse

3806
02:45:01,830 --> 02:45:00,240
all the expenses all the receipts at the

3807
02:45:05,030 --> 02:45:01,840
base at that time

3808
02:45:08,389 --> 02:45:05,040
and he made the comment to kevin that

3809
02:45:10,469 --> 02:45:08,399
for the recovery of something as mundane

3810
02:45:13,750 --> 02:45:10,479
as a weather balloon

3811
02:45:15,590 --> 02:45:13,760
we sure spent a hell of a lot of money

3812
02:45:17,910 --> 02:45:15,600
at that particular week

3813
02:45:19,030 --> 02:45:17,920
in other words something big had

3814
02:45:20,630 --> 02:45:19,040
happened

3815
02:45:22,790 --> 02:45:20,640
and there's no accounting for it and

3816
02:45:24,630 --> 02:45:22,800
there's no record of it now except all

3817
02:45:26,870 --> 02:45:24,640
the eyewitness accounts but the point

3818
02:45:29,429 --> 02:45:26,880
being it still coincided with the fact

3819
02:45:31,190 --> 02:45:29,439
that a lot of money

3820
02:45:32,550 --> 02:45:31,200
was allocated

3821
02:45:34,790 --> 02:45:32,560
for something

3822
02:45:36,389 --> 02:45:34,800
and the onus is presently on the

3823
02:45:37,750 --> 02:45:36,399
government because whether they want to

3824
02:45:40,389 --> 02:45:37,760
claim it was a weather balloon or

3825
02:45:43,030 --> 02:45:40,399
project mogul or even crash dummies

3826
02:45:44,630 --> 02:45:43,040
you're not talking about any expense

3827
02:45:46,630 --> 02:45:44,640
you're not talking about anything more

3828
02:45:47,910 --> 02:45:46,640
than just picking it up and tossing it

3829
02:45:50,710 --> 02:45:47,920
in the back of a truck and that's the

3830
02:45:53,429 --> 02:45:50,720
end of it there was a tremendous amount

3831
02:45:55,910 --> 02:45:53,439
of money spent for the recovery

3832
02:45:57,990 --> 02:45:55,920
operation of something who was the

3833
02:46:00,550 --> 02:45:58,000
governor uh that got involved back then

3834
02:46:03,110 --> 02:46:00,560
was it bill richardson no it was back at

3835
02:46:04,550 --> 02:46:03,120
that time yes bill richardson and and

3836
02:46:07,110 --> 02:46:04,560
governor richardson even wrote the

3837
02:46:09,349 --> 02:46:07,120
forward to one of our books right and

3838
02:46:11,510 --> 02:46:09,359
i've met with him since and he is a

3839
02:46:14,550 --> 02:46:11,520
hundred percent convinced that there's a

3840
02:46:16,389 --> 02:46:14,560
major cover-up and that they stonewalled

3841
02:46:19,750 --> 02:46:16,399
him as well

3842
02:46:22,710 --> 02:46:19,760
and that uh that the government still

3843
02:46:24,870 --> 02:46:22,720
has not come clean regarding what

3844
02:46:26,469 --> 02:46:24,880
actually crashed outside of roswell july

3845
02:46:28,389 --> 02:46:26,479
of 1947.

3846
02:46:32,230 --> 02:46:28,399
now

3847
02:46:33,510 --> 02:46:32,240
so back to 1997 i i i think i've got the

3848
02:46:36,469 --> 02:46:33,520
year correct

3849
02:46:38,790 --> 02:46:36,479
um was that fourth explanation the

3850
02:46:39,910 --> 02:46:38,800
fourth explanation was that

3851
02:46:41,910 --> 02:46:39,920
uh

3852
02:46:42,950 --> 02:46:41,920
it was crash dummies it was project

3853
02:46:46,630 --> 02:46:42,960
mogul

3854
02:46:50,469 --> 02:46:46,640
and that's what everybody had uh

3855
02:46:52,150 --> 02:46:50,479
confused uh with alien bodies that these

3856
02:46:55,349 --> 02:46:52,160
were crash dummies that were thrown out

3857
02:46:59,190 --> 02:46:55,359
of airplanes uh with parachutes

3858
02:47:00,230 --> 02:46:59,200
and and that's actually what happened

3859
02:47:02,710 --> 02:47:00,240
now

3860
02:47:05,590 --> 02:47:02,720
what was project mogul and again i think

3861
02:47:07,750 --> 02:47:05,600
the year is 1954 do i have that correct

3862
02:47:10,950 --> 02:47:07,760
well project mogul

3863
02:47:13,110 --> 02:47:10,960
did actually exist back in 1947

3864
02:47:15,510 --> 02:47:13,120
and the air force explanation which they

3865
02:47:18,950 --> 02:47:15,520
came out as even newsweek magazine very

3866
02:47:20,790 --> 02:47:18,960
aptly called a preemptive strike on the

3867
02:47:24,230 --> 02:47:20,800
part of the air force because the air

3868
02:47:25,910 --> 02:47:24,240
force had promised congressman schiff

3869
02:47:28,230 --> 02:47:25,920
that if they

3870
02:47:30,550 --> 02:47:28,240
found anything

3871
02:47:32,710 --> 02:47:30,560
that they could attribute to the 1947

3872
02:47:34,469 --> 02:47:32,720
crash he would be the first one they

3873
02:47:35,510 --> 02:47:34,479
would present it to right well they

3874
02:47:37,190 --> 02:47:35,520
didn't

3875
02:47:40,870 --> 02:47:37,200
they had a press conference colonel

3876
02:47:42,790 --> 02:47:40,880
richard weaver in september of 1994

3877
02:47:44,630 --> 02:47:42,800
and colonel weaver

3878
02:47:47,349 --> 02:47:44,640
you know admitted that they had lied

3879
02:47:49,670 --> 02:47:47,359
about the original balloon explanation

3880
02:47:52,150 --> 02:47:49,680
and he presented a new theory and he

3881
02:47:55,510 --> 02:47:52,160
called it a new theory and that being

3882
02:47:57,670 --> 02:47:55,520
this russian spy balloon the notion the

3883
02:48:00,469 --> 02:47:57,680
idea that should the soviets detonate

3884
02:48:03,510 --> 02:48:00,479
their own first atomic bomb back at that

3885
02:48:06,630 --> 02:48:03,520
time we would pick up the shock wave and

3886
02:48:09,349 --> 02:48:06,640
so it's the same type of a balloon a

3887
02:48:12,469 --> 02:48:09,359
cluster balloon with radar reflector

3888
02:48:15,590 --> 02:48:12,479
kites and then in this case an acoustic

3889
02:48:17,590 --> 02:48:15,600
asana boy an acoustic listening to voice

3890
02:48:20,309 --> 02:48:17,600
device that would pick up that shock

3891
02:48:21,990 --> 02:48:20,319
wave well the project failed miserably

3892
02:48:24,950 --> 02:48:22,000
because the soviets detonated the first

3893
02:48:27,269 --> 02:48:24,960
bomb in august of 49. mogul did not

3894
02:48:29,590 --> 02:48:27,279
detect it we picked it up as far as

3895
02:48:32,150 --> 02:48:29,600
higher radiation in eastern europe

3896
02:48:33,670 --> 02:48:32,160
that's how we made that determination

3897
02:48:35,830 --> 02:48:33,680
but the point being

3898
02:48:39,269 --> 02:48:35,840
the their their press conference

3899
02:48:42,469 --> 02:48:39,279
attributed flight number four

3900
02:48:44,870 --> 02:48:42,479
as responsible for the debris field on

3901
02:48:48,710 --> 02:48:44,880
the brazo ranch

3902
02:48:52,389 --> 02:48:48,720
in july 1947. flight number four based

3903
02:48:55,590 --> 02:48:52,399
on the very log the diary the the

3904
02:48:57,590 --> 02:48:55,600
documents recording those launches

3905
02:48:59,830 --> 02:48:57,600
it was scrubbed

3906
02:49:01,750 --> 02:48:59,840
there was a heavy overcast it states it

3907
02:49:04,469 --> 02:49:01,760
right in the log book there was a heavy

3908
02:49:05,990 --> 02:49:04,479
overcast they jettisoned the balloons

3909
02:49:09,830 --> 02:49:06,000
which already had been filled with

3910
02:49:11,110 --> 02:49:09,840
helium and the arrays were not part of

3911
02:49:13,510 --> 02:49:11,120
that

3912
02:49:15,750 --> 02:49:13,520
so they were never launched

3913
02:49:18,550 --> 02:49:15,760
never launched so you can't you can't

3914
02:49:20,550 --> 02:49:18,560
put a balloon responsible for anything

3915
02:49:22,790 --> 02:49:20,560
if it's never left the ground well and

3916
02:49:25,670 --> 02:49:22,800
then the other point uh and i want to

3917
02:49:27,670 --> 02:49:25,680
get to the crash test dummies um

3918
02:49:30,469 --> 02:49:27,680
but

3919
02:49:33,030 --> 02:49:30,479
with the most intelligent people on the

3920
02:49:33,750 --> 02:49:33,040
planet all stationed uh

3921
02:49:36,070 --> 02:49:33,760
at

3922
02:49:38,070 --> 02:49:36,080
roswell army airfield

3923
02:49:39,910 --> 02:49:38,080
um uh i'm not talking about the

3924
02:49:42,389 --> 02:49:39,920
scientists and the physicists that were

3925
02:49:43,670 --> 02:49:42,399
also throughout the state of new mexico

3926
02:49:44,790 --> 02:49:43,680
but uh

3927
02:50:00,790 --> 02:49:44,800
the

3928
02:50:04,309 --> 02:50:00,800
roswell

3929
02:50:07,429 --> 02:50:04,319
base yearbook from 1947 there's a

3930
02:50:10,550 --> 02:50:07,439
picture of those balloons hanging from

3931
02:50:12,870 --> 02:50:10,560
rafters in one of the hangars because

3932
02:50:15,349 --> 02:50:12,880
they would assemble them there and they

3933
02:50:18,550 --> 02:50:15,359
would launch these rawan these radar

3934
02:50:19,670 --> 02:50:18,560
reflector kites in conjunction with the

3935
02:50:30,790 --> 02:50:19,680
the

3936
02:50:32,790 --> 02:50:30,800
readings and direction and that type of

3937
02:50:35,429 --> 02:50:32,800
thing and they could adjust as far as

3938
02:50:37,750 --> 02:50:35,439
their navigation for dropping sand

3939
02:50:39,030 --> 02:50:37,760
barrels the equivalent of the bombs at

3940
02:50:41,510 --> 02:50:39,040
that time that's what they were using

3941
02:50:44,469 --> 02:50:41,520
but nonetheless nobody was more familiar

3942
02:50:47,510 --> 02:50:44,479
with those balloons than the personnel

3943
02:50:50,790 --> 02:50:47,520
at roswell and so therein is the double

3944
02:50:53,190 --> 02:50:50,800
insult to all this yes no one knew them

3945
02:50:57,110 --> 02:50:53,200
better than the person at roswell now

3946
02:50:59,670 --> 02:50:57,120
the crash dummy testing program uh i

3947
02:51:01,030 --> 02:50:59,680
mistakenly uh said that that was project

3948
02:51:04,070 --> 02:51:01,040
mogul but

3949
02:51:05,349 --> 02:51:04,080
project uh excelsior and high dive those

3950
02:51:08,710 --> 02:51:05,359
high dive

3951
02:51:11,030 --> 02:51:08,720
that that

3952
02:51:12,389 --> 02:51:11,040
that testing program with the crash

3953
02:51:15,110 --> 02:51:12,399
chess dummies

3954
02:51:17,349 --> 02:51:15,120
didn't start until 1954

3955
02:51:20,309 --> 02:51:17,359
52 52

3956
02:51:21,110 --> 02:51:20,319
and then it continued through 54.

3957
02:51:23,990 --> 02:51:21,120
and

3958
02:51:27,830 --> 02:51:24,000
because they were testing specifically

3959
02:51:30,230 --> 02:51:27,840
it was dr slash colonel randy loveless

3960
02:51:34,550 --> 02:51:30,240
that they were testing high altitude

3961
02:51:37,030 --> 02:51:34,560
breathing equipment and loveless himself

3962
02:51:38,389 --> 02:51:37,040
personally made the first jump the first

3963
02:51:40,790 --> 02:51:38,399
test

3964
02:51:43,429 --> 02:51:40,800
his glove came off and he suffered

3965
02:51:45,429 --> 02:51:43,439
severe frostbite right so they thought

3966
02:51:46,710 --> 02:51:45,439
from there on we're not going to risk

3967
02:51:50,230 --> 02:51:46,720
any people

3968
02:51:53,910 --> 02:51:50,240
and they created these six foot tall

3969
02:51:56,950 --> 02:51:53,920
plastic wooden hinged so they totally

3970
02:51:59,750 --> 02:51:56,960
resembled as far as the human anatomy as

3971
02:52:02,550 --> 02:51:59,760
far as the joints of the human body they

3972
02:52:05,190 --> 02:52:02,560
were dropping these test dummies

3973
02:52:07,830 --> 02:52:05,200
and the point being also jimmy is that

3974
02:52:11,190 --> 02:52:07,840
they were wearing full jumpsuits and

3975
02:52:14,230 --> 02:52:11,200
harnesses and parachutes and even the

3976
02:52:17,429 --> 02:52:14,240
very designer the person who

3977
02:52:19,830 --> 02:52:17,439
manufactured these dummies he laughed he

3978
02:52:21,990 --> 02:52:19,840
said it was ridiculous because each and

3979
02:52:24,150 --> 02:52:22,000
every time they struck the ground the

3980
02:52:26,870 --> 02:52:24,160
limbs were flying in all directions they

3981
02:52:29,269 --> 02:52:26,880
broke up into a dozen pieces

3982
02:52:32,630 --> 02:52:29,279
i can assure you we have no accounts

3983
02:52:35,349 --> 02:52:32,640
describing any as far as limbs or

3984
02:52:36,389 --> 02:52:35,359
decapitations or anything regarding the

3985
02:52:38,309 --> 02:52:36,399
bodies

3986
02:52:42,230 --> 02:52:38,319
and the fact that this is five years

3987
02:52:45,269 --> 02:52:42,240
after roswell sorry you can't you can't

3988
02:52:48,550 --> 02:52:45,279
cross the two years and say that the uh

3989
02:52:49,910 --> 02:52:48,560
witnesses at razor 47 were mistakingly

3990
02:52:52,870 --> 02:52:49,920
you know describing something that

3991
02:52:55,590 --> 02:52:52,880
happened five years later yeah and

3992
02:52:58,710 --> 02:52:55,600
why do you think

3993
02:53:00,870 --> 02:52:58,720
i just want your uh your theory on this

3994
02:53:02,710 --> 02:53:00,880
why do you think the air force can screw

3995
02:53:04,150 --> 02:53:02,720
up a lie

3996
02:53:06,230 --> 02:53:04,160
that badly

3997
02:53:10,070 --> 02:53:06,240
right if you're going to put it out

3998
02:53:11,110 --> 02:53:10,080
there uh at least have uh your dates

3999
02:53:13,510 --> 02:53:11,120
correct

4000
02:53:16,389 --> 02:53:13,520
yes yes because this was a national

4001
02:53:19,750 --> 02:53:16,399
story this wasn't this was a big deal

4002
02:53:21,590 --> 02:53:19,760
press release roswell case closed right

4003
02:53:22,790 --> 02:53:21,600
it was the best they could come up with

4004
02:53:25,030 --> 02:53:22,800
because

4005
02:53:27,030 --> 02:53:25,040
even after mogul

4006
02:53:29,269 --> 02:53:27,040
the growing number

4007
02:53:32,070 --> 02:53:29,279
of body witnesses that we were

4008
02:53:33,269 --> 02:53:32,080
presenting in fact even the new york

4009
02:53:35,830 --> 02:53:33,279
times

4010
02:53:37,830 --> 02:53:35,840
offered us a challenge

4011
02:53:41,269 --> 02:53:37,840
if we could come up with a single first

4012
02:53:43,349 --> 02:53:41,279
10 witness to non-human bodies they not

4013
02:53:44,309 --> 02:53:43,359
only would retract

4014
02:53:45,269 --> 02:53:44,319
the

4015
02:53:48,070 --> 02:53:45,279
mobile

4016
02:53:50,710 --> 02:53:48,080
story but also the original balloon

4017
02:53:53,590 --> 02:53:50,720
story from 1947 well we didn't give them

4018
02:53:55,590 --> 02:53:53,600
one witness we gave them eight

4019
02:53:57,349 --> 02:53:55,600
we provided them with eight first ten

4020
02:53:59,510 --> 02:53:57,359
witnesses and they

4021
02:54:00,790 --> 02:53:59,520
had to they headed for the tar grass all

4022
02:54:01,510 --> 02:54:00,800
over again

4023
02:54:04,309 --> 02:54:01,520
so

4024
02:54:06,550 --> 02:54:04,319
they saw and the fact that

4025
02:54:08,150 --> 02:54:06,560
congressman schiff was also not backing

4026
02:54:10,630 --> 02:54:08,160
down

4027
02:54:11,750 --> 02:54:10,640
in fact right after that very afternoon

4028
02:54:13,269 --> 02:54:11,760
that the pentagon had the press

4029
02:54:15,670 --> 02:54:13,279
conference i called him right up at his

4030
02:54:17,429 --> 02:54:15,680
office in washington thinking he'd be

4031
02:54:18,630 --> 02:54:17,439
saying goodbye well don you know we're

4032
02:54:21,190 --> 02:54:18,640
going to have to accept what the air

4033
02:54:23,910 --> 02:54:21,200
force says and of story and i'll never

4034
02:54:25,830 --> 02:54:23,920
forget the way he came to the phone

4035
02:54:28,469 --> 02:54:25,840
and he went don there are a bunch a

4036
02:54:29,830 --> 02:54:28,479
bunch of goddamn liars

4037
02:54:31,349 --> 02:54:29,840
and that we're going to hit them again

4038
02:54:32,710 --> 02:54:31,359
after i get reelected and what we know

4039
02:54:35,910 --> 02:54:32,720
what happened with with chef with the

4040
02:54:37,910 --> 02:54:35,920
skin cancer and 1551 he's dying within

4041
02:54:39,269 --> 02:54:37,920
the next you know six months after he

4042
02:54:41,030 --> 02:54:39,279
got reelected

4043
02:54:43,750 --> 02:54:41,040
but nonetheless

4044
02:54:45,830 --> 02:54:43,760
the stories of the bodies needed to be

4045
02:54:47,190 --> 02:54:45,840
accounted for and that was the best they

4046
02:54:48,950 --> 02:54:47,200
could come up with

4047
02:54:51,110 --> 02:54:48,960
and then they came up with a new medical

4048
02:54:52,630 --> 02:54:51,120
malady of time compression that the

4049
02:54:55,670 --> 02:54:52,640
older you get you not only start to

4050
02:54:57,670 --> 02:54:55,680
confuse the years but also the decades

4051
02:54:59,910 --> 02:54:57,680
doesn't exist you aren't going to find

4052
02:55:01,110 --> 02:54:59,920
it in any medical book or journal

4053
02:55:03,990 --> 02:55:01,120
anywhere

4054
02:55:06,230 --> 02:55:04,000
but again it's the pentagon it's the

4055
02:55:07,830 --> 02:55:06,240
government i always joke that you know

4056
02:55:08,870 --> 02:55:07,840
husbands try that with your wives you

4057
02:55:10,710 --> 02:55:08,880
come home

4058
02:55:12,870 --> 02:55:10,720
too late you got four different

4059
02:55:16,630 --> 02:55:12,880
explanations but we let the government

4060
02:55:21,110 --> 02:55:19,750
no no no no we thank you for that do you

4061
02:55:24,309 --> 02:55:21,120
think uh

4062
02:55:26,309 --> 02:55:24,319
that we are finally at a point here don

4063
02:55:27,510 --> 02:55:26,319
you know 2022

4064
02:55:29,429 --> 02:55:27,520
but uh

4065
02:55:31,030 --> 02:55:29,439
we we have the senate intelligence

4066
02:55:33,030 --> 02:55:31,040
committee we have the gila brand

4067
02:55:35,349 --> 02:55:33,040
amendment we have everything that is

4068
02:55:36,870 --> 02:55:35,359
moving forward right now

4069
02:55:38,790 --> 02:55:36,880
um is

4070
02:55:39,910 --> 02:55:38,800
do you see a day

4071
02:55:43,990 --> 02:55:39,920
where

4072
02:55:46,389 --> 02:55:44,000
we do get to honestly revisit roswell

4073
02:55:49,590 --> 02:55:46,399
and we will uh

4074
02:55:55,190 --> 02:55:51,670
in an official capacity

4075
02:55:57,750 --> 02:55:55,200
do we will we revisit and reveal

4076
02:55:59,990 --> 02:55:57,760
what actually happened at roswell

4077
02:56:01,590 --> 02:56:00,000
we've had the discussion before and it's

4078
02:56:03,830 --> 02:56:01,600
my position that

4079
02:56:06,630 --> 02:56:03,840
unless we have congressional hearings

4080
02:56:09,590 --> 02:56:06,640
unless they provide immunity for

4081
02:56:11,990 --> 02:56:09,600
whistleblowers to come forward including

4082
02:56:12,870 --> 02:56:12,000
roswell now granted i mean they're all

4083
02:56:15,030 --> 02:56:12,880
gone

4084
02:56:16,150 --> 02:56:15,040
our first 10 witnesses

4085
02:56:17,910 --> 02:56:16,160
we've lost

4086
02:56:20,389 --> 02:56:17,920
that race with the undertaker so to

4087
02:56:22,070 --> 02:56:20,399
speak so we have their affidavits we

4088
02:56:24,469 --> 02:56:22,080
have their depositions we have their

4089
02:56:26,389 --> 02:56:24,479
deathbed testimonies that their families

4090
02:56:27,190 --> 02:56:26,399
would happily provide

4091
02:56:28,389 --> 02:56:27,200
and

4092
02:56:30,550 --> 02:56:28,399
there would still be all the

4093
02:56:33,269 --> 02:56:30,560
documentation all the photographs i mean

4094
02:56:35,750 --> 02:56:33,279
that they recorded every second every

4095
02:56:39,349 --> 02:56:35,760
aspect of that recovery operation every

4096
02:56:41,110 --> 02:56:39,359
analysis every test every autopsy i mean

4097
02:56:44,309 --> 02:56:41,120
it's all still

4098
02:56:45,269 --> 02:56:44,319
there and the point being that i've

4099
02:56:47,110 --> 02:56:45,279
already

4100
02:56:48,550 --> 02:56:47,120
been told that we should have our

4101
02:56:50,630 --> 02:56:48,560
attorneys ready

4102
02:56:52,150 --> 02:56:50,640
that when this breaks in washington and

4103
02:56:54,070 --> 02:56:52,160
they finally do

4104
02:56:56,710 --> 02:56:54,080
have hearings that one of the things

4105
02:56:59,429 --> 02:56:56,720
they are what they they will want to

4106
02:57:01,750 --> 02:56:59,439
look into is roswell the granddaddy of

4107
02:57:03,670 --> 02:57:01,760
them all because it isn't then we want

4108
02:57:05,830 --> 02:57:03,680
to see the documents it's going to be a

4109
02:57:08,870 --> 02:57:05,840
case of i want to hold that memory

4110
02:57:10,550 --> 02:57:08,880
material right my hand sure

4111
02:57:11,750 --> 02:57:10,560
sure and uh

4112
02:57:14,469 --> 02:57:11,760
with um

4113
02:57:18,230 --> 02:57:14,479
the overlap between the army and the air

4114
02:57:21,269 --> 02:57:18,240
force that happened in in 1947 and

4115
02:57:24,070 --> 02:57:21,279
and moving forward certainly in 1948

4116
02:57:26,870 --> 02:57:24,080
where do you think all of these records

4117
02:57:29,830 --> 02:57:26,880
reside are they are they still with the

4118
02:57:31,590 --> 02:57:29,840
army were they transferred over to the

4119
02:57:34,790 --> 02:57:31,600
air force

4120
02:57:37,269 --> 02:57:34,800
who is in possession of of this now

4121
02:57:39,110 --> 02:57:37,279
excellent question and then let's let's

4122
02:57:41,429 --> 02:57:39,120
also remind the audience that at the

4123
02:57:43,590 --> 02:57:41,439
very time of the pentagon press

4124
02:57:46,070 --> 02:57:43,600
conference with the colonel richard

4125
02:57:48,309 --> 02:57:46,080
weaver and then the secretary of the air

4126
02:57:50,309 --> 02:57:48,319
force sheila windhall

4127
02:57:53,190 --> 02:57:50,319
put out a statement that they were

4128
02:57:56,710 --> 02:57:53,200
absolving all air force personnel of

4129
02:57:58,230 --> 02:57:56,720
their security oaths regarding roswell

4130
02:58:00,710 --> 02:57:58,240
well and as you've just pointed out

4131
02:58:03,830 --> 02:58:00,720
again jimmy there was no air force in

4132
02:58:04,950 --> 02:58:03,840
july of 1947 right this was an army

4133
02:58:08,070 --> 02:58:04,960
incident

4134
02:58:10,230 --> 02:58:08,080
so i think she gave away the red herring

4135
02:58:12,309 --> 02:58:10,240
i think she gave away the fact that

4136
02:58:14,710 --> 02:58:12,319
maybe they don't even know where the

4137
02:58:16,550 --> 02:58:14,720
records are because it was right in

4138
02:58:18,790 --> 02:58:16,560
between the split

4139
02:58:21,030 --> 02:58:18,800
so that they stay with the army or were

4140
02:58:23,190 --> 02:58:21,040
they transferred over to the air force

4141
02:58:25,670 --> 02:58:23,200
or did they all somehow because we also

4142
02:58:28,630 --> 02:58:25,680
know the theory that the navy for even

4143
02:58:29,590 --> 02:58:28,640
having a greater coverage on a global

4144
02:58:32,950 --> 02:58:29,600
level

4145
02:58:35,110 --> 02:58:32,960
of ufo cases that it's the navy that's

4146
02:58:37,510 --> 02:58:35,120
actually been in charge of the uh the

4147
02:58:39,830 --> 02:58:37,520
investigation all these decades

4148
02:58:41,269 --> 02:58:39,840
so granted we've knocked on doors and

4149
02:58:43,349 --> 02:58:41,279
congressmanship and the freedom of

4150
02:58:45,670 --> 02:58:43,359
information act requests we've gone to

4151
02:58:48,469 --> 02:58:45,680
both the army and the navy

4152
02:58:50,309 --> 02:58:48,479
and the air force and kevin randle and i

4153
02:58:51,830 --> 02:58:50,319
we went to the pentagon on one occasion

4154
02:58:53,830 --> 02:58:51,840
we met with colonel richard weaver who

4155
02:58:55,030 --> 02:58:53,840
was in charge of army intelligence at

4156
02:58:57,590 --> 02:58:55,040
the pentagon

4157
02:58:59,429 --> 02:58:57,600
and the fact that they were telling us

4158
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well it's with the air force what the

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air force was telling us no it was still

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with so that's the shell game

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and as long as uh they feel

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that they control the game

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they're going to control obviously the

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outcome but that's where congress now

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02:59:18,150 --> 02:59:16,160
has to step in and say you have been

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deceiving us you've been deceiving the

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public for 75 years and roswell's at the

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02:59:25,990 --> 02:59:23,120
pinnacle roswell's at the top of that

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and it could explain all of this in one

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afternoon's hearings

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now uh

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in the

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45 seconds we have left one of the

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things that i find really interesting a

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02:59:37,990 --> 02:59:36,960
development that happened over the last

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month

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02:59:43,110 --> 02:59:40,880
the uap task force and that being

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02:59:46,070 --> 02:59:43,120
dissolved the creation of a new task

4179
02:59:48,469 --> 02:59:46,080
force right and the renaming of the

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02:59:52,230 --> 02:59:48,479
foreign technology division at wright

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02:59:55,429 --> 02:59:52,240
pat yes and that this new ufo

4182
02:59:57,590 --> 02:59:55,439
investigative uh group

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03:00:00,550 --> 02:59:57,600
is based out of right path

4184
03:00:03,670 --> 03:00:00,560
it's based on a right path

4185
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again you know so convenient and the

4186
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thing is

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even the three

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03:00:11,110 --> 03:00:09,040
previous official investigations project

4189
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science project grudge and project blue

4190
03:00:14,870 --> 03:00:14,000
book we're all headquartered at right

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03:00:18,630 --> 03:00:14,880
path

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don't leave the area 51. no they don't

4193
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need the roswell they all since roswell

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and then when you consider all the

4195
03:00:28,950 --> 03:00:26,160
underground levels of the underground

4196
03:00:31,990 --> 03:00:28,960
vaults all the rumors i'm i'm talking to

4197
03:00:33,830 --> 03:00:32,000
another retired officer from right pat

4198
03:00:36,950 --> 03:00:33,840
and i'm hoping to get information from

4199
03:00:38,870 --> 03:00:36,960
him about things and keeping in mind one

4200
03:00:42,230 --> 03:00:38,880
of our key witnesses at roswell was the

4201
03:00:44,630 --> 03:00:42,240
late uh general arthur exxon who was a

4202
03:00:47,750 --> 03:00:44,640
former uh commanding

4203
03:00:50,309 --> 03:00:47,760
officer at wright pat in 1964. and he

4204
03:00:53,750 --> 03:00:50,319
told us jimmy that their entire area is

4205
03:00:57,429 --> 03:00:53,760
a right path that were off limits to him

4206
03:01:01,030 --> 03:00:59,110
don i'll see you in a couple of months

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03:01:02,710 --> 03:01:01,040
my man and uh

4208
03:01:06,710 --> 03:01:02,720
this will be great it will once again

4209
03:01:10,309 --> 03:01:06,720
break bread and and share hair products

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03:01:14,070 --> 03:01:10,319
don schmidt thank you so much don uh uh

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03:01:17,349 --> 03:01:14,080
again from everybody in our community uh

4212
03:01:20,550 --> 03:01:17,359
we extend our thanks to you

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03:01:22,870 --> 03:01:20,560
uh for all of your hard work uh for for

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03:01:24,790 --> 03:01:22,880
three four decades now it's absolutely

4215
03:01:26,790 --> 03:01:24,800
crazy thank you so much and i'll see you

4216
03:01:28,870 --> 03:01:26,800
in a couple of months that means a lot

4217
03:01:31,670 --> 03:01:28,880
and i appreciate that from the bottom of

4218
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my heart we'll see you in a few months

4219
03:01:37,030 --> 03:01:33,600
be safe stay well

4220
03:01:38,790 --> 03:01:37,040
and godspeed you're the best don schmidt

4221
03:01:40,950 --> 03:01:38,800
the links for the new book are right

4222
03:01:43,110 --> 03:01:40,960
there on social media and over at

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03:01:44,550 --> 03:01:43,120
jimmychurchradio.com

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03:01:47,190 --> 03:01:44,560
with that i'm going to get out of here

4225
03:01:48,630 --> 03:01:47,200
before the network cuts me off

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03:01:50,469 --> 03:01:48,640
this is fade to black i want to thank

4227
03:01:51,990 --> 03:01:50,479
don schmidt great show tonight fade to

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03:01:54,309 --> 03:01:52,000
black it's produced by hilton j palmer

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03:01:56,710 --> 03:01:54,319
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03:01:59,030 --> 03:01:56,720
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03:02:02,469 --> 03:01:59,040
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03:02:04,389 --> 03:02:02,479
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03:02:15,110 --> 03:02:13,600
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03:02:16,630 --> 03:02:15,120
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03:02:17,990 --> 03:02:16,640
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03:02:19,910 --> 03:02:18,000
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03:02:22,150 --> 03:02:19,920
church everybody be safe i'll see you

4243
03:02:24,080 --> 03:02:22,160
tomorrow night it's time to fade to

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